Matt L hosting then Binder and Brandon.
The Majority Report with Sam Seder Thread
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This episode had a GREAT interview about the flaws and shortcomings of the Neolib rebranding to "abundance" agenda. I like the early metaphor that Glastris uses in saying that "Democrats trying to challenge Republicans on a deregulation agenda is like you trying to challenge Joey Chestnut to a hotdog eating contest."
It's a very Libertarian friendly concept Ezra Klein and his ilk are pushing. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not a catch-all solution to the systematic problems that need to be fixed. In a lot of cases, there's more to be done and some stuff would have more substantial positive impacts for people. So, Glastris mentions even if this agenda wins, it'll likely set up pretty bad blowback when it doesn't live up to its promises.
Go to 29 mins in for the interview
It's a very Libertarian friendly concept Ezra Klein and his ilk are pushing. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not a catch-all solution to the systematic problems that need to be fixed. In a lot of cases, there's more to be done and some stuff would have more substantial positive impacts for people. So, Glastris mentions even if this agenda wins, it'll likely set up pretty bad blowback when it doesn't live up to its promises.
Go to 29 mins in for the interview
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terrible take away.
they are more upset at liberals trying to solve problems instead of progressives just getting perpetual losers who dont have to be accountable to delivery results
storyteller
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Sam responds to Vox boys...His literal point being that the Abundance Boys haven't or can't deliver.
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I’m at the point where I can’t listen to Emma only episodes...
She is definitely an acquired taste
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Don’t really see eye to eye with the abundance crew…but if that framing serves as an on-ramp to a more progressive thinking amongst the electorate than I’m good with it.
Something conservatives have done well is make all kinds of gateways to their worldview. Manosphere, Hustle culture, Rogan, conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, gamers etc. are all communities that now serve to funnel people to MAGA.
Something conservatives have done well is make all kinds of gateways to their worldview. Manosphere, Hustle culture, Rogan, conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, gamers etc. are all communities that now serve to funnel people to MAGA.
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But it’s not PURE ENOUGH
They had an interview with PSA yesterday? That’s what they said the point is. For people to use it to figure out how to best help their area (San Fran, rural Pennsylvania, etc).
Not talking to you, but some people are just doing their usual complaining while missing the obvious opportunity to offer their own solution.
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Even though its blasmpehy to say because its not an HL all star approved pod, this episode was an interesting listen
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There's a whole thread for zionist Klein why you posting this here ?
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And yes paul is correct in his assessment that they'd just be chasing an imaginary deregulation fight that will lead them to destruction
Because I was responding to a particular poster who actually brought it up. Maybe if you didn’t have a disturbingly weird obsession with me you would have brought that up to them first.
That’s your reply for the day.
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The complaints about the Abundance Agenda come down to a handful of things.
Quotes are coming from this American Prospect article: The Abundance Agenda: Neoliberalism’s Rebrand
I'll italicize quotes from the article
1. Too much focus on Deregulation as a fix-all. Which is to say, cutting "red tape" can speed up projects, but only if that's what monied interests want. California did "Abundance Agenda" style cuts around 2021 and the results have been modest at best. So, treating the regulations as the central issue is flawed if the results won't bring about the material gains they're promising. They need to couple deregulation with incentives or some other policy prescriptions that can encourage the types of growth they're expecting:
"In other words, the abundance faction argues that overregulation is the biggest issue standing in the way of progress.
That’s certainly true in some instances—again, we’re anti–restrictive zoning. But it’s not true across the board. Moreover, it fails to recognize the role of powerful incumbents who seek to limit abundance for their own purposes."
2. Healthy distrust for where the support for this agenda originated:
"With that in mind, it’s worth understanding who exactly makes up the abundance movement.
The coalition includes many prominent centrist organizations, but also corporate interests and conservatives that MAGA pushed out of power within the Republican Party. Many components of this faction have financial ties to crypto, AI, Big Tech, and oil."
From there, they have a bulleted list of the supporters which include think tanks and groups that are connected to the Koch Bros., Sam Bankman-Fried, and other figures who have been involved in some of the worst political ideas and practices of recent history. Their involvement doesn't automatically make Abundance a bad thing, but it should invite more thoughtful reviews of the policy ideas.
3. While Abundance folks point out regulations disrupting or slowing down innovation; they fail to address interruptions by monied interests. Sometimes a good project is slowed down by regulation, but sometimes "would-be philanthropists" get in the way and block good things.
For example: Elon Musk admitting to his biographer that he pushed the Hyperloop Tunnel as a way to block High-Speed Rails initiatives. This sort of thing isn't going to be fixed through cutting red tape.
Here's Ryan Grim pointing out that Ezra Klein's interview with Jon Stewart failed to mention monied interests being involved in one of the examples he used of regulatory stagnation:
So, in sum, the fear is that this will be another case where Neolibs overpromise and under-deliver. The goals of Abundance are the right ones, and the strategy could be fine as long as they don't treat it as a panacea...but the way it's being presented, there's just not enough there to live up to the promises they're making.
I 100% agree about these gateways, but I don't see how the Abundance agenda helps with any of that. The Abundance Agenda feels like it's reaching to the same crowd that Vox has always marketed itself to imo.
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