The Majority Report with Sam Seder Thread

[hashmander]

I like Emma and think she's been a fine co-host. But, she does shyt like this time to time where you have to question her decision. There was nothing to be gained from this. This is the type of shyt, that will rightly give Ana a whole week of outrage posts to shyt on her for. And it was completely avoidable. She goes too far in her wanting to be the "ally" or "virtuous liberal" and it doesn't always help her point.

for the life of me i can't understand them crashing out on wanting boys playing sports against girls.. that's wild to me. i don't see the feminism in that. this shyt has jumped the shark.

 

[Outlaw]

for the life of me i can't understand them crashing out on wanting boys playing sports against girls.. that's wild to me. i don't see the feminism in that. this shyt has jumped the shark.

She claims to be a sports head and can’t understand why it’s a losing issue from a pure competition standpoint.

Why aren’t there any trans men in male leagues if trans treatments even the playing field from a competitive standpoint?

 

[Loose]

She claims to be a sports head and can’t understand why it’s a losing issue from a pure competition standpoint.

UK studies show if kids recieve their needed treatment during puberty the actual benefits from puberty is miniscule. Most transgender kids parents more worried about if they're going to kill themselves instead of playing sports anyway. The fact that grown men concerned about kids is weird to me.

Why aren’t there any trans men in male leagues if trans treatments even the playing field from a competitive standpoint?

There isn't that many transgender kids playing sports in general that's why. Yall only focus on 5 or so transgender girls thought out the entire united states.

 

[Outlaw]

UK studies show if kids recieve their needed treatment during puberty the actual benefits from puberty is miniscule. Most transgender kids parents more worried about if they're going to kill themselves instead of playing sports anyway. The fact that grown men concerned about kids is weird to me.


There isn't that many transgender kids playing sports in general that's why. Yall only focus on 5 or so transgender girls thought out the entire united states.

Not talking about just kids, I’m talking about college and professional. Trans men can’t compete with cis men. It’d be foolish to assume trans women don’t have an unfair advantage against cis women no matter when they receive treatment.

Sports isn’t about masculinity/ femininity it’s about competition.

Fighting common sense on this issue is b*stardizing what sports is about and why it’s so repulsive to people who don’t buy into leftist orthodoxy

 

[Loose]

Not talking about just kids, I’m talking about college and professional. Trans men can’t compete with cis men. It’d be foolish to assume trans women don’t have an unfair advantage against cis women no matter when they receive treatment.

Leave that up to the leagues that's not a presidential policy. You conservatives want states to decide everything else including abortion;

apparently you only like the government to decide on your rights based on things that you care about except when it's guns ha

Sports isn’t about masculinity/ femininity it’s about competition.

Cool you said you weren't talking about kids so therefore let professional leagues decide the rules for grown ass women and men

Fighting common sense on this issue is b*stardizing what sports is about and why it’s so repulsive to people who don’t buy into leftist orthodoxy

Nothing leftist about it, let leagues decide their own rules like they always have done

 

[Outlaw]

Leave that up to the leagues that's not a presidential policy. You conservatives want states to decide everything else including abortion;

apparently you only like the government to decideoj your rights based on things that you care about except when it's guns ha




Cool you said you weren't talking about kids so therefore let professional leagues decide the rules for grown ass women and men



Nothing leftist about it, let leagues decide their own rules like they always have done

That includes high school sports too. Not a conservative, you don’t have to resort to insults just because you can’t defend your position.

You’re defying logic by trying to include trans females into post puberty sports just because it makes them feel “feminine” which is not what sports is about.

 

[Loose]

That includes high school sports too. Not a conservative, you don’t have to resort to insults just because you can’t defend your position.

You said we weren't talking about kids, high schoolers are kids. You're a conservative, and I agree. school districts should be handling that with the parents not the federal government. Rather that's creating coed leagues for marginalized people to play or letting them play in the league they desire. That's solely up to THAT community, it's not a national conversation.

You’re defying logic by trying to include trans females into post puberty sports just because it makes them feel “feminine” which is not what sports is about.

I'm not defying anything, transgender in sports is a sports league problem, not federal government problem. If sports league don't want them in girls sports they will ban them, it's thay simple.

 

[Outlaw]

You said we weren't talking about kids, high schoolers are kids. You're a conservative, and I agree. school districts should be handling that with the parents not the federal government. Rather that's creating coed leagues for marginalized people to play or letting them play in the league they desire. That's solely up to THAT community, it's not a national conversation.

I'm not defying anything, transgender in sports is a sports league problem, not federal government problem. If sports league don't want them in girls sports they will ban them, it's thay simple.

I’m referring to high school sports too. Any sports involving males & females going through or post puberty.

Instead of being able to deny the claim that trans females have unfair advantages compared to cis women you just say it should be left up to the communities which makes little sense.

All male leagues are co-ed, if any trans or cis gendered female was talented enough they could complete in male leagues

 

[Loose]

I’m referring to high school sports too. Any sports involving males & females going through or post puberty.

Ok cool let district leagues decide rules

Instead of being able to deny the claim that trans females have unfair advantages compared to cis women you just say it should be left up to the communities which makes little sense.

as stated above you aren't talking about kids, you talking about post puberty adults which is a totally different conversation and should be a decision leagues make based on science. YOU conservatives dont want these kids getting the care they need before puberty, blame yourselves.

All male leagues are co-ed, if any trans or cis gendered female was talented enough they could complete in male leagues

This isnt true my districts football leagues isn't coed, they created a flag football team for girls as a title 9 spin off.

 

[hashmander]

She claims to be a sports head and can’t understand why it’s a losing issue from a pure competition standpoint.

Why aren’t there any trans men in male leagues if trans treatments even the playing field from a competitive standpoint?

you see it. there isn't this clamor to have a competitive disadvantage by going to compete against boys/men. i wonder why.

 

[Outlaw]

Ok cool let district leagues decide rules



as stated above you aren't talking about kids, you talking about post puberty adults which is a totally different conversation and should be a decision leagues make based on science. YOU conservatives dont want these kids getting the care they need before puberty, blame yourselves.


This isnt true my districts football leagues isn't coed, they created a flag football team for girls as a title 9 spin off.

This is why you leftists don’t win elections in purple/red districts. You can’t properly debate your side without resorting to insults or appealing to emotion. When you decide policy it has to be based on logic or science as you put it yet you deny the science in front of your face.


Even if they got care before puberty they would still have an unfair competitive advantage.

There have been trans men that received care prior to puberty yet none of them are able to compete with cis men at a high level, I wonder why?

 

[Loose]

you see it. there isn't this clamor to have a competitive disadvantage by going to compete against boys/men. i wonder why.

Wait u nikkas actually think these girls chamge genders just to play sports for a competitive disadvantage . Yall might be just as mentally ill as the people with Gender dysphoria

This is why you leftists don’t win elections in purple/red districts. You can’t properly debate your side without resorting to insults or appealing to emotion. When you decide policy it has to be based on logic or science as you put it yet you deny the science in front of your face.

Andy beshar won in a red state

Even if they got care before puberty they would still have an unfair competitive advantage.

It's miniscule and shouldn't be the #1 concern for a school districts anyway, the number 1 concern should be for the student to make it to 18, because most don't.

There have been trans men that received care prior to puberty yet none of them are able to compete with cis men at a high level, I wonder why?

There isn't many transgender athletes in general, I'm not even sure what your stupid ass is arguing. You arguing why 10 transgender females play college sports and not 10 transgender males ? The amount of transgender people in general is less than a million.

 

[Outlaw]

Wait u nikkas actually think these girls chamge genders just to play sports for a competitive disadvantage . Yall might be just as mentally ill as the people with Gender dysphoria



Andy beshar won in a red state



It's miniscule and shouldn't be the #1 concern for a school districts anyway, the number 1 concern should be for the student to make it to 18, because most don't.


There isn't many transgender athletes in general, I'm not even sure what your stupid ass is arguing. You arguing why 10 transgender females play college sports and not 10 transgender males ? The amount of transgender people in general is less than a million.

Andy beshear isn’t a leftist, he’s a common sense liberal.

I want to win elections and the trans sports issue is a losing position for the dems.


IMO the winning policy position is to allow trans athletes to compete in male leagues because cis women are disadvantaged otherwise.

When it comes to trans care for kids it should be left up to the parents

 

[Trust Me]

This is why you leftists don’t win elections in purple/red districts. You can’t properly debate your side without resorting to insults or appealing to emotion. When you decide policy it has to be based on logic or science as you put it yet you deny the science in front of your face.


Even if they got care before puberty they would still have an unfair competitive advantage.

There have been trans men that received care prior to puberty yet none of them are able to compete with cis men at a high level, I wonder why?

Did you just call dude a leftist?

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

I’m referring to high school sports too. Any sports involving males & females going through or post puberty.

Instead of being able to deny the claim that trans females have unfair advantages compared to cis women you just say it should be left up to the communities which makes little sense.

All male leagues are co-ed, if any trans or cis gendered female was talented enough they could complete in male leagues

I don't completely agree with the idea that trans women should compete against cis women in all circumstances. If you went through a regular testosterone-driven puberty and only a few months of HRT, you shouldn't be allowed to compete, as the physical changes from male puberty wouldn't be sufficiently mitigated. However, I believe that trans women who have undergone years of HRT should be able to compete, as their testosterone levels would be in the physiologic range of cis women at that point, which should significantly reduce any unfair advantages.

Hormone therapy significantly reduces muscle mass, strength, and hemoglobin levels, which means any perceived advantage trans women might have isn't as absolute as some people claim. If trans women truly had an overwhelming, unfair advantage, they would be dominating women's sports across the board, but they aren't. The fact that they compete without consistently winning proves that the issue is more complex than people assume. Governing bodies like the NCAA and IOC have already studied this and implemented policies to ensure fair competition.

A lot of people don't want to admit this, but this isn't as simple as it's being made out to be. There's a lot of nuance being missed in these conversations. Not all males and females experience puberty the same way either, and sports already account for natural differences through weight classes, skill levels, and so on.

As for the argument that "male leagues are co-ed," that's misleading. While technically open, men's leagues are not meaningfully co-ed in practice. Women still face structural barriers to competing at high levels in those spaces.

And when it comes to community-based decision-making, that actually makes sense. Sports have always been structured based on what works for different levels and governing bodies, rather than one-size-fits-all bans. The assumption that trans women have an undeniable advantage doesn't hold up under real-world results, and if they were truly dominating, there might be a case, but they aren't, so what exactly is the problem?

Trans men do compete in male leagues at the collegiate and professional levels too, but their numbers are small due to the overall population of trans athletes and barriers to transitioning within competitive sports.