The Majority Report with Sam Seder Thread

[wire28]

Andy beshear isn’t a leftist, he’s a common sense liberal.

I want to win elections and the trans sports issue is a losing position for the dems.


IMO the winning policy position is to allow trans athletes to compete in male leagues because cis women are disadvantaged otherwise.

When it comes to trans care for kids it should be left up to the parents

If andy beshear is the bench mark all we need is a bunch of rich white people with their daddy’s name id and we will be all set to win in 2026 and beyond

 

[Loose]

Andy beshear isn’t a leftist, he’s a common sense liberal.

Never said he was you dont even know what a Leftist is, he literally vetoed a transgender sports bill and stood on it. Ran for reelection explained his position and won in a RED state.

I want to win elections and the trans sports issue is a losing position for the dems.

Everything's a losing position for dems, because dems don't stand for anything. Dems ran on student loan forgiveness 4 years ago, nowqdays they're scared to even utter the words .Unless you want to retreat back to the 1930s by all means we can continue governing based on polls and " winning positions" .republicans CREATE winning positions that's the difference in the two parties and why they're more successful

 

[Outlaw]

I don't completely agree with the idea that trans women should compete against cis women in all circumstances. If you went through a regular testosterone-driven puberty and only a few months of HRT, you shouldn't be allowed to compete, as the physical changes from male puberty wouldn't be sufficiently mitigated. However, I believe that trans women who have undergone years of HRT should be able to compete, as their testosterone levels would be in the physiologic range of cis women at that point, which should significantly reduce any unfair advantages.

Hormone therapy significantly reduces muscle mass, strength, and hemoglobin levels, which means any perceived advantage trans women might have isn't as absolute as some people claim. If trans women truly had an overwhelming, unfair advantage, they would be dominating women's sports across the board, but they aren't. The fact that they compete without consistently winning proves that the issue is more complex than people assume. Governing bodies like the NCAA and IOC have already studied this and implemented policies to ensure fair competition.

A lot of people don't want to admit this, but this isn't as simple as it's being made out to be. There's a lot of nuance being missed in these conversations. Not all males and females experience puberty the same way either, and sports already account for natural differences through weight classes, skill levels, and so on.

As for the argument that "male leagues are co-ed," that's misleading. While technically open, men's leagues are not meaningfully co-ed in practice. Women still face structural barriers to competing at high levels in those spaces.

And when it comes to community-based decision-making, that actually makes sense. Sports have always been structured based on what works for different levels and governing bodies, rather than one-size-fits-all bans. The assumption that trans women have an undeniable advantage doesn't hold up under real-world results, and if they were truly dominating, there might be a case, but they aren't, so what exactly is the problem?

Trans men do compete in male leagues at the collegiate and professional levels too, but their numbers are small due to the overall population of trans athletes and barriers to transitioning within competitive sports.

Good post, I’m willing to admit I have blind spots on the issue

 

[Outlaw]

If andy beshear is the bench mark all we need is a bunch of rich white people with their daddy’s name id and we will be all set to win in 2026 and beyond

You dislike hall monitor Andy the same way some people on the left hate Newsom

 

[wire28]

Good post, I’m willing to admit I have blind spots on the issue

And that’s your problem. You don’t admit you don’t know everything, you double down and act like you have all the answers. That’s why the dems will continue to lose.

 

[wire28]

You dislike hall monitor Andy the same way some people on the left hate Newsom

i can admit even though he is a milquetoast low energy white boy with a Lilly white family living off his daddy’s name that he is likely what we will get in 2028. I’ve made peace with the incoming overcorrection. I look forward to the usual suspects tearing him down when the time is right though.

 

[Loose]

i can admit even though he is a milquetoast low energy white boy with a Lilly white family living off his daddy’s name that he is likely what we will get in 2028. I’ve made peace with the incoming overcorrection. I look forward to the usual suspects tearing him down when the time is right though.

He's not my type of politician if I was to pick one from a ideology standpoint, but he believes what he states and stands up for what he believes in. I'll always respect someone who does that. I'd rather my politican lose an election based on what they actually stand for then politically retreat based on polls and cultural anxiety.

DEI was once a winning position throughout corporate America 4 years ago, democrats have completely ran away unequivocally from it now due to polling and right wing framing. This type of loser ass political governance is what kills the party and is why people just rather vote republican. At least republicans stand for what they believe in, you'd never see them politically retreat from a position, they'd just change the conversation.

Same with police reform, dems basically have thrown us under the bus in hopes to gain our political anxiety white neighbors

 

[Outlaw]

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Never said he was you dont even know what a Leftist is, he literally vetoed a transgender sports bill and stood on it. Ran for reelection explained his position and won in a RED state.

Everything's a losing position for dems, because dems don't stand for anything. Dems ran on student loan forgiveness 4 years ago, nowqdays they're scared to even utter the words .Unless you want to retreat back to the 1930s by all means we can continue governing based on polls and " winning positions" .republicans CREATE winning positions that's the difference in the two parties and why they're more successful

If you can’t convince me that this is a winning issue how do you think this can become a winning issue with median voters who currently are repulsed by the idea of trans women beating up their daughters in sports?

 

[Loose]

If you can’t convince me that this is a winning issue how do you think this can become a winning issue

You shouldn't base political campaigns on if throwing marginalized people under the bus is a political win or not

with median voters who currently are repulsed by the idea of trans women beating up their daughters in sports?

Easily you humanize transgender kids by talking about it from a empathy standpoint. you start by talking about the average lifespan of transgender kids, and the need for us as Americans to assist them with living. the average middle voter are conflicted voters, they can be convinced if you actually give a shyt about something. You call out republicans on how it's weird that they're dehumanizing kids, and have led to the increased death toll amongst children.

It's how republicans win, they frame their narratives that start as negative ( crt) and make it a positive

 

[Outlaw]

You shouldn't base political campaigns on if throwing marginalized people under the bus is a political win or not





Easily you humanize transgender kids by talking about it from a empathy standpoint. you start by talking about the average lifespan of transgender kids, and the need for us as Americans to assist them with living. the average middle voter are conflicted voters, they can be convinced if you actually give a shyt about something. You call out republicans on how it's weird that they're dehumanizing kids, and have led to the increased death toll amongst children.

It's how republicans win, they frame their narratives that start as negative ( crt) and make it a positive

Cis women are also a marginalized group.


We’re talking about sports here not about the existence of trans kids period. Your argument is effective for allowing gender affirming care for kids but I don’t know if it’s effective for sports.

The difference between Republican framing and the framing of “unpopular” liberal issues is that republicans appeal to the lowest common denominator and the reptilian brain.

It takes a certain level of intelligence to buy into the framing you’re trying to present

 

[storyteller]

Cis women are also a marginalized group.


We’re talking about sports here not about the existence of trans kids period. Your argument is effective for allowing gender affirming care for kids but I don’t know if it’s effective for sports.

The difference between Republican framing and the framing of “unpopular” liberal issues is that republicans appeal to the lowest common denominator and the reptilian brain.

It takes a certain level of intelligence to buy into the framing you’re trying to present

What makes it a dumb issue to debate, is that it's such a small number of trans athletes in HS and/or college sports. Here's an example from when Utah's governor veto'ed a trans ban.

Gov. Cox: Why I’m vetoing HB11 | Governor Spencer J. Cox

governor.utah.gov

• 75,000 high school kids participating in high school sports in Utah.
• 4 transgender kids playing high school sports in Utah.
• 1 transgender student playing girls sports.

That's a 1/75,000 case, and that's literally ONE kid in the entire state. It's crazy to pass legislation to stop ONE KID from getting a Varsity letter. What about college athletes? How many of them are trans athletes? Here's what the NCAA president said.

NCAA changes policy on transgender athletes

The governing body for US college sports says it will limit women's competition to athletes "assigned female at birth".

www.bbc.com

The National Collegiate Athletics Association is made up of 1,100 colleges and universities in all 50 states that collectively enrol more than 530,000 student-athletes.

Mr Baker told a Senate committee in December that there were "less than 10" transgender athletes in the NCAA.

This should be a non-issue, but conservatives hyper focus on the rare cases they can find. It's a dumb thing to get into a huge debate over, and the argument should be that it's weird as hell for people to be obsessed with the 0.00001% of student-athletes this applies to.

The government getting involved in sports when football players had CTE or when baseball players were juicing makes some sense due to the prevalence and severity of the issues (and I'm even kinda iffy about the baseball example). But independent panels and commissions of experts handle the rules and regulations of their respective sports just fine. They've already made decisions on this stuff, and nothing's broken. So, this feels like a complete waste of time when legislative bodies should be concerning themselves with more important issues.

 

[Outlaw]

What makes it a dumb issue to debate, is that it's such a small number of trans athletes in HS and/or college sports. Here's an example from when Utah's governor veto'ed a trans ban.

Gov. Cox: Why I’m vetoing HB11 | Governor Spencer J. Cox

governor.utah.gov

That's a 1/75,000 case, and that's literally ONE kid in the entire state. It's crazy to pass legislation to stop ONE KID from getting a Varsity letter. What about college athletes? How many of them are trans athletes? Here's what the NCAA president said.

NCAA changes policy on transgender athletes

The governing body for US college sports says it will limit women's competition to athletes "assigned female at birth".

www.bbc.com

This should be a non-issue, but conservatives hyper focus on the rare cases they can find. It's a dumb thing to get into a huge debate over, and the argument should be that it's weird as hell for people to be obsessed with the 0.00001% of student-athletes this applies to.

The government getting involved in sports when football players had CTE or when baseball players were juicing makes some sense due to the prevalence and severity of the issues (and I'm even kinda iffy about the baseball example). But independent panels and commissions of experts handle the rules and regulations of their respective sports just fine. They've already made decisions on this stuff, and nothing's broken. So, this feels like a complete waste of time when legislative bodies should be concerning themselves with more important issues.

I agree with you it’s a giant distraction that’s why I don’t think we should use political capital to debate the sports issue.

Use that capital on gender affirming care

 

[NZA]

i agree with gavin on a common-sense level, but let the governing bodies of the leagues set their policy until you have a real reason for the government to step in. this issue shouldnt be a political football at this moment. if it became a common enough issue in federally funded institutions, then maybe it would affect title IX policy where females are not getting equal access to sports, but that hasnt really happened yet.

i do think emma is a bit high-strung, probably because she is a rich girl who spends time around leftists and maybe feels the need to go overboard.

 

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You shouldn't base political campaigns on if throwing marginalized people under the bus is a political win or not





Easily you humanize transgender kids by talking about it from a empathy standpoint. you start by talking about the average lifespan of transgender kids, and the need for us as Americans to assist them with living. the average middle voter are conflicted voters, they can be convinced if you actually give a shyt about something. You call out republicans on how it's weird that they're dehumanizing kids, and have led to the increased death toll amongst children.

It's how republicans win, they frame their narratives that start as negative ( crt) and make it a positive

or, we can admit theres no such thing as transgenderism. You keep making the error of thinking you can BE trans and not that this is some high level example of performative mimicry.