The Majority Report with Sam Seder Thread

[storyteller]

What in the well documented history of Donald J Trump gives you the belief that he ever needed an inch to do or say what he wants in the first place?

We aren’t talking about a random early 2000s republican feigning constitutionality, we are talking about a well documented racist bigoted felon doing racist bigoted illegal things. The disingenuity is offensive.

Biden sucks. Great. Trump can break the law without an obligatory dems are bad cop out.

Whether you believe Trump would have come up with the exact same justifications for cutting funding to multiple schools and demanding they concede to his demands is immaterial to the fact that he echoed Biden and neoliberal Reps motions toward antisemitism on college campuses as his justification.

It would be a lot easier to pushback against Trump's overreach if he didn't have Democratic posturing to point to as his starting point. Whether that would have completely discouraged it, forced him to come up with a different justification, or wouldn't have made a difference is a hypothetical that's up to you. I agree with the sentiments in the video, and don't really care if you agree.

Call MR and take it up with them. I bet they'd rush you to the front of the line if you messaged to say you want to debate their "smooth-minded" take.

 

[wire28]

Whether you believe Trump would have come up with the exact same justifications for cutting funding to multiple schools and demanding they concede to his demands is immaterial to the fact that he echoed Biden and neoliberal Reps motions toward antisemitism on college campuses as his justification.

Trump says a lot of things. That doesn’t make them true. In fact the majority of things he says are lies. Hopefully we can agree on that statement at minimum.

It would be a lot easier to pushback against Trump's overreach if he didn't have Democratic posturing to point to as his starting point. Whether that would have completely discouraged it, forced him to come up with a different justification, or wouldn't have made a difference is a hypothetical that's up to you. I agree with the sentiments in the video, and don't really care if you agree.

Sorry I gave the impression I cared about whether you agreed.

Call MR and take it up with them. I bet they'd rush you to the front of the line if you messaged to say you want to debate their "smooth-minded" take.

They probably would for the engagement, hence the title of their video.

The only people that believe Trump “needed” Biden in order to break the law are his mindless cult and the people that need to circle back around to blame the dems for every illegal, harmful and distasteful republican action. The republicans don’t need the dems, they can do bad all by themselves. More credibility could be procured if that could be admitted by some.

 

[storyteller]

Trump says a lot of things. That doesn’t make them true. In fact the majority of things he says are lies. Hopefully we can agree on that statement at minimum.

Obviously Trump doesn't speak truths. That doesn't change the fact that he used Biden Admin rhetoric to justify his misdeeds. Nothing you've said refutes that because it's obviously true.

Sorry I gave the impression I cared about whether you agreed.

They probably would for the engagement, hence the title of their video.

It'd be a hilarious phone call for sure. I guess you're not too up on how youtube works, but everyone uses provocative titles and thumbnails for engagement. It comes with the territory, and certainly isn't worth throwing a temper tantrum over.

The only people that believe Trump “needed” Biden to break the law are his mindless cult and the people they need to circle back around to blame the dems for every illegal, harmful and distasteful republican action.

Find where I said "Trump needed Biden" to break the law. As a matter of fact, you edited out the part where I obviously implied he didn't. I'll say it again, whether you believe Trump would have done exactly the same thing without Biden's handling of the college protests is up to you. But in this specific case, Trump obviously piggybacked on Biden's rhetoric. That's not an "if," it's just what happened.

 

[Loose]

Whether you believe Trump would have come up with the exact same justifications for cutting funding to multiple schools and demanding they concede to his demands is immaterial to the fact that he echoed Biden and neoliberal Reps motions toward antisemitism on college campuses as his justification.

It would be a lot easier to pushback against Trump's overreach if he didn't have Democratic posturing to point to as his starting point. Whether that would have completely discouraged it, forced him to come up with a different justification, or wouldn't have made a difference is a hypothetical that's up to you. I agree with the sentiments in the video, and don't really care if you agree.

Call MR and take it up with them. I bet they'd rush you to the front of the line if you messaged to say you want to debate their "smooth-minded" take.

It'd be much easier to push back against his authoritarianism if democrats hadn't completely capitulated to the right wing framing on

The border
Israels genocide
DEI
Crime
College protest
Transgender issue
Etc

Now democrats are in a position where they can't even criticize trump because they have pretty much sanewashed or previously agreed with hus grievances on a smaller scale. Its easier for fascist leaders to come to power when left wing groups do their bidding. This is the same exact issue with the abundance movement, agreeing with the rights framing with things which will in turn justify going all the way with deregulation with "quicker results"

- democrats agree that the border is bad so why not just throw everyone in death camps in random gulags to get quicker results! We will get jobs back that way
- democrats agree that Palestinians are subhuman and that only white Palestinian babies matter so why not just exterminate them all and put them into death camps
- democrats agree we went too far with dei so why not just take it all down
- oh you agree with crime ? OK let's just go all the way with crime laws ( hence 90s laws)
- lets not say overwhelmingly protest are peaceful point out the 1 2 bad actors that allows Trump to justify locking up kids

 

[wire28]

Obviously Trump doesn't speak truths. That doesn't change the fact that he used Biden Admin rhetoric to justify his misdeeds. Nothing you've said refutes that because it's obviously true.

As I elaborate on below, he always is going to use other peoples rhetoric to justify his misdeeds. That doesn’t make it accurate, right or plausible.

It'd be a hilarious phone call for sure. I guess you're not too up on how youtube works, but everyone uses provocative titles and thumbnails for engagement. It comes with the territory, and certainly isn't worth throwing a temper tantrum over.

I’m sorry I gave the impression I was having a “temper tantrum”.

Find where I said "Trump needed Biden" to break the law. As a matter of fact, you edited out the part where I obviously implied he didn't. I'll say it again, whether you believe Trump would have done exactly the same thing without Biden's handling of the college protests is up to you. But in this specific case, Trump obviously piggybacked on Biden's rhetoric. That's not an "if," it's just what happened.

I didnt edit out anything. I cut your post into segments, like you did mine. And Trump blamed Biden for his unpopular actions, like he has done in the past and will continue to do in the future. I guess it depends on whether you are a cultist or at baseline willing to concede that victory to Trump to determine whether you believe that is plausible or not so we can continue to say “well actually it’s Biden’s fault because Trump said so” or you can take the felon at face value and believe the felon is continuing to break the law like he always has and blaming someone else when things go poorly like he always has.

Eventually (if you haven’t already) you’re going to find it difficult actually saying Donald J Trump has actually done anything wrong based on your current view that he is absolved as long as he erroneously blames someone else.

 

[Outlaw]

It'd be much easier to push back against his authoritarianism if democrats hadn't completely capitulated to the right wing framing on

The border
Israels genocide
DEI
Crime
College protest
Transgender issue
Etc

Now democrats are in a position where they can't even criticize trump because they have pretty much sanewashed or previously agreed with hus grievances on a smaller scale. Its easier for fascist leaders to come to power when left wing groups do their bidding. This is the same exact issue with the abundance movement, agreeing with the rights framing with things which will in turn justify going all the way with deregulation with "quicker results"

- democrats agree that the border is bad so why not just throw everyone in death camps in random gulags to get quicker results! We will get jobs back that way
- democrats agree that Palestinians are subhuman and that only white Palestinian babies matter so why not just exterminate them all and put them into death camps
- democrats agree we went too far with dei so why not just take it all down
- oh you agree with crime ? OK let's just go all the way with crime laws ( hence 90s laws)
- lets not say overwhelmingly protest are peaceful point out the 1 2 bad actors that allows Trump to justify locking up kids

If you have to type up a world salad to justify going against common sense then you’re probably wrong

 

[wire28]

If you have to type up a world salad to justify going against common sense then you’re probably wrong

Unironically he’s sane washing Trump by excusing every illegal thing he does on Biden and the dems. Biden can suck and Trump can also be doing illegal things without his “precedent”. Atleast I pray there is a place somewhere in the multiverse where that is true

 

[storyteller]

As I elaborate on below, he always is going to use other peoples rhetoric to justify his misdeeds. That doesn’t make it accurate, right or plausible.

I’m sorry I gave the impression I was having a “temper tantrum”.

I didnt edit out anything. I cut your post into segments, like you did mine. And Trump blamed Biden for his unpopular actions, like he has done in the past and will continue to do in the future. I guess it depends on whether you are a cultist or at baseline willing to concede that victory to Trump to determine whether you believe that is plausible or not so we can continue to say “well actually it’s Biden’s fault because Trump said so” or you can take the felon at face value and believe the felon is continuing to break the law like he always has and blaming someone else when things go poorly like he always has.

Eventually (if you haven’t already) you’re going to find it difficult actually saying Donald J Trump has actually done anything wrong based on your current view that he is absolved as long as he erroneously blames someone else.

Jesus, this is going in circles and you're still not even trying to refute the actual point.

No one is saying this is all Biden's fault. The video simply points out that Trump took Biden's premise about the protests and pushed it a mile further. "Trump woulda done the exact same thing anyway" isn't refuting that point and can't be proven true or false. It's just a hypothetical and I'm not even sure what for. Trump is not absolved of blame for his obviously fascist push just because people point out that he used Biden's rhetoric for this aspect of it.

Matter of fact, it's a wild reach to imply Trump's absolved by people saying "if you give an inch, the authoritarian will take a yard." That's a Trump and Republicans critique far more than it's targeted at the ones who gave an inch.

 

[Loose]

If you have to type up a world salad to justify going against common sense then you’re probably wrong

Dog you walk around parroting right wing talking points about Gaza and transgender people daily, you're exactly what i mean when I say liberals do fascist bidding.

 

[wire28]

Jesus, this is going in circles and you're still not even trying to refute the actual point.

Agreed.

No one is saying this is all Biden's fault. The video simply points out that Trump took Biden's premise about the protests and pushed it a mile further. "Trump woulda done the exact same thing anyway" isn't refuting that point and can't be proven true or false. It's just a hypothetical and I'm not even sure what for. Trump is not absolved of blame for his obviously fascist push just because people point out that he used Biden's rhetoric for this aspect of it.

The video is literally called “Biden paved the way for Mahmoud’s deportation”

He’s going to take anyone’s premise and push it a mile further. He’s going to take anyone’s “rhetoric” and distort it. He has done that numerous times in the past before Biden and continues to do it now. There is no precedent to establish if he literally blames someone else every single time.

There was nothing special Biden did but not be a Trump cultist.

If the point is “he’s going to do fascism no matter what”, then yes I agree with you but that’s such a basic agreed upon point it isn’t worth anyone’s time much less a video interview. If the point is he used Biden’s rhetoric for his own means, cool I guess? He’s going to use anyone’s rhetoric for his own means so what are we talking about here?

Matter of fact, it's a wild reach to imply Trump's absolved by people saying "if you give an inch, the authoritarian will take a yard." That's a Trump and Republicans critique far more than it's targeted at the ones who gave an inch.

if it were a Trump republican critique you wouldn’t bring up the person giving an inch in the first place. That’s the premise of the phrase, that the person giving the inch created the spark.

I’ll let you have the last word man go for it. MR got the computers puting so more power to them

 

[Outlaw]

Dog you walk around parroting right wing talking points about Gaza and transgender people daily, you're exactly what i mean when I say liberals do fascist bidding.

Who’s more to blame for emboldening Trump’s authoritarianism?

- Republican voters for voting for Trump again after the insanity he’s done in the first term and during biden term.

- Republicans politicians who refused to hold Trump accountable in his first term for his insanity and refused to impeach him

- Republican Supreme Court for giving full immunity to the President as long as vaguely it’s an “official act”


or…


The democrats?

 

[Loose]

Who’s more to blame for emboldening Trump’s authoritarianism?

- Republican voters for voting for Trump again after the insanity he’s done in the first term and during biden term.

And

- Republicans politicians who refused to hold Trump accountable in his first term for his insanity and refused to impeach him


or…


The democrats?

3 years ago

I’m not an immigrant and I don’t advocate for open borders. Immigration should be reformed but there is much more pressing matters that need to be addressed. Illegal immigrants do not make your life worse.

After you and dems capitulated to trump and fascist.

Yes people were so appalled by Kamala’s stance on immigration that dumbfukk Americans voted for the more right wing option.

Biden kowtowing to the left on the border is what created the wedge issue in the first place.

Democrats implement 5-D leftist policies on crime, immigration, gender affirming care that make little sense in the real world, sounds nice online but gets them absolutely railroaded by room temperature IQ voters because when rubber meets the road they don’t resonate with the mental masturbation your side stirs up online.

 

[Outlaw]

3 years ago


After you and dems capitulated to trump and fascist.

My stance on illegal immigrants haven’t changed.

You’re the one that was willing to capitulate to Trump if Biden was the nominee. Don’t throw stones in a glass house

 

[wire28]

Who’s more to blame for emboldening Trump’s authoritarianism?

- Republican voters for voting for Trump again after the insanity he’s done in the first term and during biden term.

- Republicans politicians who refused to hold Trump accountable in his first term for his insanity and refused to impeach him

- Republican Supreme Court for giving full immunity to the President as long as vaguely it’s an “official act”


or…


The democrats?

The dems.

Next question

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Emma would call you a misogynist for being a TERF.

As she should