The Michael Dunn Verdict (Poll)

[LordTaskForce]

People has really been pissing me off with how this "overcharging" bullshyt and how they interpret "premeditated", as if he was suppose go home, plan for a few days, and then come back, like it's a fukking movie


The crumb went to his car, unholstered his gun, loaded the shyt and let off 10 rounds in a car of unarmed brothas...... That wasn't heat of the moment, that was premeditated, too

People wanna say, "Well, it's essentially a life for him anyways "


fukk that, the prosecution charged him appropriately and the jury failed to deliver on something as clear as day

Maybe the prosecution should have had better lawyers. Sometimes thats what it comes down to. Its easy for you to make blanket statements about how you think the trial should pan out, however the public gets limited information of all the facts available to the jury etc. Unless you were there it really is hard to say what happened, what facts were and were not admitted to the jury

 

[LordTaskForce]

The prosecution already said there going for the murder 1 charge

I haven't been following the case all that much. But i think that was the right thing to go for from what i've read so far. The prosecution probably already knew he was going to get it for the attempted murder so might as well go for the home run

 

[Ego Noir]

He's going to jail for the rest of his natural life and blacks are still complaining? Smh.

There is enough evidence to potentially convict him of murder why not.

Saying forget the murder charge, That's basically saying fukk Jordan Davis he's going to prison anyway.

The system stands on principle, and for that principle the blood of Davis needs to be accounted for.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

It's ok to kill young black teens it seems, if you fear for your life

 

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

Maybe the prosecution should have had better lawyers. Sometimes thats what it comes down to. Its easy for you to make blanket statements about how you think the trial should pan out, however the public gets limited information of all the facts available to the jury etc. Unless you were there it really is hard to say what happened, what facts were and were not admitted to the jury

What's clear to the public, the prosecution and the jury is what happened, it's no mystery; That animal murdered a boy when he could've left his gun where it was and drove away


For the jury to push aside the charge that was on the table is scary, basically saying he shoulda finished the job and he might've had a better chance

 

[The Burger King]

They need to get his ass on murder too.
I know he's probably going to spend his entire life in prison, but, if they don't get him for murder, then that will send a message to others who want to shoot black teens. They'll think "George Zimmerman and Michael Dunn didn't get locked away for murder," before they decide to try to shoot a black kid.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Although it might not logically make sense, attempted murder and murder are two completely different crimes with different burden of proofs depending on what state you are in. Attempted murder was easy to prove because of the reckless nature (shooting 10 rounds into a car) of the act.

First degree murder is a lot harder to prove. It likely requires to prove that the guy planned this shooting out, had time to think about his consequences, and follow through. I'm not sure about Florida but most states have it where you have to be charged with the crime you get convicted of (meaning if the state couldn't prove 1st degree murder then he's off on that charge, it won't get dropped down to 2nd degree murder or anything else). The state probably should have gone with 2nd degree murder or manslaughter.

That's not true. They had the option to convict for 2nd degree. One of more people on the jury actually bought his self defense charge. That's what's scary and disturbing.

 

[Ego Noir]

That's not true. They had the option to convict for 2nd degree. One of more people on the jury actually bought his self defense charge. That's what's scary and disturbing.

Doubt it.

You can't buy the self defense then in the same breath convict him of attempt murder.

I personally believe there was a conflict between the conviction of 1st degree, 2nd degree, or manslaughter.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Doubt it.

They you can't buy the self defense then in the same breath convict him of attempt murder.

I personally believe there was a conflict between the conviction of 1st degree, 2nd degree, and/or manslaughter.

No, that's exactly what happened. The jury asked can he get self defense for one charge and be convicted of the other charge on the last day of deliberations. That question wouldn't have been asked unless there was one or more jury members who bought his self defense claim. A dispute between 1st and 2nd degree murder would never cause a hung jury in this trial. Everyone on the jury who thought it was first degree would've gladly settled for second if it was going to be a unanimous murder conviction. There were people on the jury who bought that he "stood his ground" against Jordan Davis, and that is just shameful.

 

[LordTaskForce]

That's not true. They had the option to convict for 2nd degree. One of more people on the jury actually bought his self defense charge. That's what's scary and disturbing.

You're right, for some reason I was thinking the jury was only deliberating on the 1st degree murder charge I didn't know it included 2nd degree and lessor offenses.

 

[JillScottsHunny]

There is enough evidence to potentially convict him of murder why not.

Saying forget the murder charge, That's basically saying fukk Jordan Davis he's going to prison anyway.

The system stands on principle, and for that principle the blood of Davis needs to be accounted for.

He's just any nikka.

 

[DerrtySouthpaw]

ill be so happy when mods get billy fukkboi the hell up outta here

 

[Ego Noir]

No, that's exactly what happened. The jury asked can he get self defense for one charge and be convicted of the other charge on the last day of deliberations. That question wouldn't have been asked unless there was one or more jury members who bought his self defense claim. A dispute between 1st and 2nd degree murder would never cause a hung jury in this trial. Everyone on the jury who thought it was first degree would've gladly settled for second if it was going to be a unanimous murder conviction. There were people on the jury who bought that he "stood his ground" against Jordan Davis, and that is just shameful.

You're just assuming to say the jurors would've "just gave in to any murder charge".

Because to convict him of not only attempted murder of every other occupant in the vehicle as well as a charge of firing a deadly missle into a vehicle, according to the law this holds that he "acted with a depraved mind".

You cannot say he criminally fired his weapon into the vehicle, and attempted to murder 3 individuals then in the same breath then say one was self defense. He's being hit with a 15 year minimum for the fact a bullet even entered the car (firing a deadly missle into a dwelling)

 

[LordTaskForce]

@Ego Eimis : Maybe 1 person who voted 1st degree murder said its 1st degree or nothing?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

You're just assuming to say the jurors would've "just gave in to any murder charge".

Because to convict him of not only attempted murder of every other occupant in the vehicle as well as a charge of firing a deadly missle into a vehicle, according to the law this holds that he "acted with a depraved mind".

You cannot say he criminally fired his weapon into the vehicle, and attempted to murder 3 individuals then in the same breath then say one was self defense. He's being hit with a 15 year minimum for the fact a bullet even entered the car (firing a deadly missle into a dwelling)

You don't know what you're talking about. They ruled attempted murder and firing missiles into the car against the other 3 kids because they found that they did nothing to warrant that hail of gunfire, but they felt the Davis killing was justified self defense.

But one or more of the jurors did indeed find that him killing Jordan Davis was self defense. I'm not assuming anything. Anybody who is informed and watched the case knows this. There is not one person who found him guilty that would allow the jury to be hung just because they wanted 1st degree instead of second. That makes zero sense.

The fact that some jurors bought his self defense claim is proven by the last questions they asked.

1) Is the defense of self-defense separate for each person in each count?

2) Are we determining if deadly force is justified against each person in each count?

3) If we determine deadly force is justified against one person, is it justified against the others?

Again, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT SELF DEFENSE ON SOME CHARGES AND NOT ON OTHERS UNLESS SOME JURORS RULED HE KILLED JORDAN DAVIS IN SELF DEFENSE.

And the judge's answer to question 3 was no, nullifying your claim.