THE MOST Consistent Great Emcee over the last 20 years is

[wutang512]

Shallah Raekwon

Bruh Raekwon fell off and didnt make a true come back until OB4CL2 he's been on fire since that album dropped.

 

[Animal House]

I have to go witg GFK

 

[W.I.Z.E.]

3) i could create a classic Black Thought album using released tracks but it aint the same if i just grab 3 Kiss discs and skip thru em.

Black Thought needs a solo and he will never be a complete MC without one. we as fans deserve it too. Kiss has ripped a verse with everyone Thought has except he has no CD.

i still think thoughts lyrics/flow is superior but if someone said Kiss >> Black i wouldnt be mad

We could go back and forth all day in a healthy debate on your first two points but I felt this one had to be addressed. When you look at the fact that Malik B hasn't really been active since Illadelf. I would say Black Thought has released a bunch of CD's as the solo Emcee of the Roots. He's pretty much the Guru of Ganstarr, the Rakim to the Eric B and Rakim or the Fresh Prince to Jazzy Jeff.

 

[louisvandross]

S/O to black thought. criminally underrated and very consistent.



Yo, if you're coming here then keep you a gat close
Ain't a lot of tolerance for people that lack toast
You can get your back broke, stumped out, choked
Or slashed throat or poked in a cloud of black smoke
Old heads tell you 'bout the trouble with black folk
Coke heads tell you 'bout the difference in crack smoke
Chicken heads doing the back stroke, lot of sleep nikkas that act woke





rap genius got him to explain part of his verse on this. http://rapgenius.com/1278462

 

[JayBaldacci]

love this thread, thoughts the man, an elite MC. with that said I agree with Art his record is highly tainted.

he made it hard for me to like him and I felt like he was comin from this other place (philly) hating on NY and my nikkaz (nas, mobb, BIG).

he redeemed himself with that pun record where he replaced canibus but shortly after went into super sambo mode with that whole jayz thing.

onto that he put out that subliminal diss to nas (I have it) and he is lucky he approached the situation as he did because if you heard him on combat jack he made it seem trivial.

nothing trivial about your band playing live instrumentation of jayzs diss records and your records so jayz can rap over them dissing you.

I think thought is lucky Nas kept those jabs to just a few cmments and not a track.

what truck said too, this ngga never had a solo so when you bring up Jadakiss he is definitely in the running cuz he has albums.

it goes KRS > Nas > Black Thought > Jadakiss

Nas and Thought were beefing?

 

[The Dust King]

I've always said the only two emcees I've never heard a weak or lackluster verse from are Black Thought and Andre 3000.

Thought is the most consistent emcee ever imo and you can argue the most underrated. He's always had impeccable lyrical ability and a good delivery. But he's been able to still craft quality verses and make good songs for so long because of his range and adaptability. His calling card was always his battle-type rhymes/aesthetically bragging. But he wasn't so limited that he couldn't make a Silent Treatment or a Episodes.

Starting with Game Theory though, he seamlessly transitioned from the lyrical braggadocio some to speaking about life experience, introspection,and macro world issues--politics, class struggle, science, etc.

And that's vital to be a long-lasting emcee. You have to be well-rounded and show growth as a person to still make provocative music. If you run out of subject matter, you get

from when i first heard black thought in 94 he was rhymin from an introspective perspective so i dont see how you bringin up the album he dropped AFTER nas said hip-hop was dead.

no seemless transition. thought always been the truth. Nas made a seemless transition, from that illmatic style to it was written. thought always been multi-faceted MC

Nas and Thought were beefing?

yeah, jay-z had the roots do live instrumentation for his blueprint album during the nas/jay beef live on MTV which was later recorded as an album and released on December 2001 the same day as Nas Stillmatic Album.

not only did they do the "takeover" but they did this new impromptu version with oochie wally and shyt in it. Nas responded on flex by calling the roots c00ns and sambos and sellouts.

then blackthought got mad hype and then the rumors of his solo album started to fly around (in 2002) and that same year he released a subliminal record to nas.

http://www.missinfo.tv/index.php/black-thought-combat-jack-show/

beef died later

We could go back and forth all day in a healthy debate on your first two points but I felt this one had to be addressed. When you look at the fact that Malik B hasn't really been active since Illadelf. I would say Black Thought has released a bunch of CD's as the solo Emcee of the Roots. He's pretty much the Guru of Ganstarr, the Rakim to the Eric B and Rakim or the Fresh Prince to Jazzy Jeff.

fair enough but everyone of those artists, smith guru and ra all have dropped solos without they counterpart. what is stopping thought?

 

[Big Mel]

The most underrated rapper ever

Is Casual from hiero.

 

[Sunalmighty]

I came to the conclusion that he is arguably TOP 5 DOA a while back.

 

[Sunalmighty]

Is Casual from hiero.

John is pretty dope

 

[Big Mel]

he's a scary talent but he keeps a marginal beat. pair him with a sample based producer and he immediately becomes a must listen.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

from when i first heard black thought in 94 he was rhymin from an introspective perspective so i dont see how you bringin up the album he dropped AFTER nas said hip-hop was dead.

no seemless transition. thought always been the truth. Nas made a seemless transition, from that illmatic style to it was written. thought always been multi-faceted MC

I know he was always multi-faceted. But there is a clear shift in the bulk of his content from the Game Theory album on though. Before Game Theory, his bread and butter was the lyrical battle aesthetics. From Game Theory on, the majority of his verses have been more sociopolitical musings.

 

[Art Barr]

Lemme start by saying I can respect this pov. Like your list isn't weak at all.

That said, let's start with KRS...he had some moments there after "I Got Next" when he just wasn't as sharp and I was like

"Kristyles, "Keep it Right" just weren't as strong as his previous works OR his collab albums with Marl and Buckshot. PLUS, and I know this is a sore point but for real he should have DISMANTLED Nelly and he came off sounding "eh".

Now Nas, as I pointed out in a previous post, let's not forget that Nas fell off for a second. Like it or not, what Jay said has truth. He went from Top MC to

status around the Nastradamus time. That said, when you look at a full body of work...Nas is better so don't get it twisted. I'm talking about consistency though. And to that point, I have not heard a whole wack album from Thought. Hell I can't remember hearing a weak verse.

Jada don't have a classic album under his belt so unfortunately, he just aint in the same league. The rest of the people you mentioned have at LEAST one and I would argue more.

jadakiss is light years above blackthought in technical proficiency.
plus, when it comes to actual output of material.
jada is way more relevant and more skilled.
imo,..jada's last defjam album was a technical masterpiece.
on a technical level that fully eclipses anything black thought could or will ever make.
on top of having more complex content and being a wild animal on any and every break that counts to gain notice.
while, black thought is nowhere near jada's potency on the breaks.
or bar to bar as a technical marvel.
while also, eclipsing black thought solidly as one of the greatest back and forth group tandems in rap.
that black thought would have never assailed to.
even if malik b, did not have a drug problem.

jada also, culturally has manned up for his jiggy'ness.
while, also actually apologizing and being about the culture.
in a more focus manner than black thought.
thought has never atoned for the bullshyt with jay.
like meta said,..he is lucky, nas did not actually go in on dude.
as it would have severely hurt any argument anyone could raise for thought.

I can not on any day place blackthought over jada.
plus, jada has classic mixtapes of numerous variety.
a possible classic solo in his last album.
that was advanced technically leaps and bounds over any and all his major label contemporaries.
on top of great work and one of the best battles in history of rap as well.
plus, songs to hold face after a fiddy smear campaign with styles on shots fired.

I can't name one black thought record.
that could compare with the songs off the top of my head jada has.

if I refer, to his actual discography song for song....
it would be such a long list,...blackthought's standout moments would be small, in comparison.

as a matter of fact,..jada would destroy black thought in any situation as well.

no way, black thought is seeing fukk'n jada...
just no way in hell......

off top, kiss of death on the rough ryders soundtrack.
is bodying any and every roots song you could name.
not to mention, I could make a huge list off the top of my head murdering blackthought.
I could name whole projects of jada's that is murdering thought.
as a matter of fact, in the past actual twenty years...
jada and styles are infinitely above black thought, as well.

styles should have also been mentioned...
as real talk,..there is only one horrific styles record, imo.
yet, others will argue me to the grave that the record is a classic.

black thought, is cool..
yet, he ain't no jada, or quite a few others in the past twenty years.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Scarface. From 1988-2008 he put out nothing but great music on good to great albums. His worst joint was The World Is Yours, which went gold and is still better than most rap albums released in the last five years.

scarface has no low quality records or album.
plus, emeritus was so dope...
it became hard not to spin it.

scarface > blackthought

art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Bruh Raekwon fell off and didnt make a true come back until OB4CL2 he's been on fire since that album dropped.

not true,...

rae has argueably, one of the best mixtape bulk discographies.
the only hiccups in his discography is immobi.
which has joints that are lambasted for production and sonic landscape chances.
out of the sweetspot of what is generally regarded as comfortable for the wu.

with that said,...
I will spin the sneakers record, and the swizz style trigger beat record over any black thought any day.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

also,...blackthought's actual flow was perfected by Kendrick.
on that sing for me joint.
to the point, if Kendrick employed the flow more.
black though would be an after thought.


art barr