The new generation isn’t buying the MJ propaganda

[SymbolicOne09]

93-94 was the Bulls still riding that MJ residual effect, they still believed in the dynasty. By 94-95 the shyt wore off

Yall are just making up shyt im not gonna go back n forth tho... mj is the goat imo ..kobe and lebron are 2a and 2b

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

the cheat code was having old.man.zen coaching*

Sounds good if anybody gave a fukk about Phil Jackson at the time. Can’t say anything is obvious after the fact no matter how much you’d like

 

[fifth column]

Yall are just making up shyt im not gonna go back n forth tho... mj is the goat imo ..kobe and lebron are 2a and 2b

Just mean they had something to prove coming off a 3peat without Mike.

 

[FAH1223]

People aren’t being fed with this type of glazing

 

[Everythingg]

I think you need to read my first post in this thread lol mj the goat but he cant win championships by himself. You calling the bulls 93-94 season a fluke tells me all i need to know

All you need to know about what? If losing MJ takes them down 2 wins and losing Horace makes them under 500 go outside and tell people that losing Horace Grant from the Bulls was the bigger loss than them losing MJ. The truth is that they were high off winning 3 straight titles under an all time great coach, motivated by the "they can't win without MJ" narrative and had an all time great that could be the temu, great value version of MJ along with another player that could step into Pippen's former role.

The Grizz were at the top of the west a couple seasons ago, lost Ja to injury, and still went 20-5 to finish the season. And that's because they were running off the momentum

It's true.

Whats true? That the Bulls losing Horace Grant hurt more than losing MJ?

 

[010101]

Sounds good if anybody gave a fukk about Phil Jackson at the time. Can’t say anything is obvious after the fact no matter how much you’d like

things are only obvious after the fact

results are in phil coached 11 ring winning squads

HA

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[10bandz]

Yall are just making up shyt im not gonna go back n forth tho... mj is the goat imo ..kobe and lebron are 2a and 2b

I wouldn't say the 94 season was a fluke. The Bulls at that point were a well built and well experienced team, they were all several years in to running the triangle and their defensive scheme, so while losing MJ hurt, they were still good enough to continue their style of play and win 55 games in a weaker conference.

But look closer. In 93 they were 2nd in off rating, in 94 they fell to 14th. What kept the team in shape was the defense, they statistically didnt have any drop off there with MJ gone. That alone is what kept them in good standing that year, but what happened in the playoffs? They scoring 77 pts in a G7 vs the Knicks with Pippen only dropping 20.

So the absence was definitely felt. They needed MJ that season. I don't think them winning 55 games is some kind've slight on MJ all things considered.

As for 95, you had the Magic, Pacers and Hornets making significant leaps that year (all of them were like +7 in wins) so it was harder for the Bulls to keep up, although statistically their defense was still top notch. And obviously MJ came back late and rusty. So all in all, the Bulls spent many years building a good squad, but they needed MJ plain and simple.

 

[Ozymandeas]

I wouldn't say the 94 season was a fluke. The Bulls at that point were a well built and well experienced team, they were all several years in to running the triangle and their defensive scheme, so while losing MJ hurt, they were still good enough to continue their style of play and win 55 games in a weaker conference.

But look closer. In 93 they were 2nd in off rating, in 94 they fell to 14th. What kept the team in shape was the defense, they statistically didnt have any drop off there with MJ gone. That alone is what kept them in good standing that year, but what happened in the playoffs? They scoring 77 pts in a G7 vs the Knicks with Pippen only dropping 20.

So the absence was definitely felt. They needed MJ that season. I don't think them winning 55 games is some kind've slight on MJ all things considered.

As for 95, you had the Magic, Pacers and Hornets making significant leaps that year (all of them were like +7 in wins) so it was harder for the Bulls to keep up, although statistically their defense was still top notch. And obviously MJ came back late and rusty. So all in all, the Bulls spent many years building a good squad, but they needed MJ plain and simple.

The Toronto Raptors kinda did this with Kawhi. In 2019, they won 58 games. In 2020 after he left, they still won 53 games.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Spoelstra was LeBron’s Phil Jackson, the Heat made 4 finals in a row. What more does LeBron need from a coach to win?

Miami was Lebron's version of the Chicago Bulls. He was too much of a fukkboy to realize it.

Bro saw the Superteam Party was over and dipped immediately

Bron with Herro, Bam, and Jimmy would have gotten rings in 2020 and 2023, plus the rings they could've stolen in that 2015 to 2019 period.

 

[Killer Instinct]

Bron was playing with arguably the most offensively skilled PG of all time and a 3pt shooting big that previously averaged 26 and 13.If he is who is tries to finesse the public into believing he is (thru propaganda) then he gets it done. Instead he watched KD walk him down for game winners in 2 separate finals. Before that we watched Kawhi enter the game and him shudder in panic. And before that, and worst of all, we saw him get bullied by Jason Terry and JJ Barea:

Spoiler

He was the 5th leading scorer in this SERIES btw, yet later says the team was too top heavy instead of of being accountable for his sorry ass play. I wonder if you have an example of MJ EVER getting bullied like that or like how Kobe was in the Allstar game?





Yikes. Imagine MJ going to get Dominique Wilkins and Barkley after losing to the 4-5 HOF having Celts/3 HOF having Pistons (like Lebron ran to Wade/Bosh)instead of elevating himself and his teammates into being champions. Imagine comparing MJ playing with Pippen alone and later Pipp/Rodman to LBJ playing with Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, KLove, AD, Luka along with lesser good to great players/role players like Dwight, Russ, Ray Allen, Carmelo, Rondo, DLo, Rui, Austin Reeves, etc. AND STILL somehow complaining about your teammates?

Imagine saying MJ didn't deserve his DPOY, not based on what you yourself actually saw, but based on an article that thinks his stats (steals/blocks) got him DPOY. Meanwhile the year before, Michael Cooper got DPOY and wasnt top 50 in either steals or blocks as he only averaged 1 steal and .5 blocks. Is it based on stats or impact?

Imagine complaining about "illegal defense" in a time where it's almost illegal to play defense at all. I wonder what players got as soft as a whistle as Shae or James Harden? Or imagine complaining about "fraudulent stats" in an era that allows double and triple stepbacks, moving screens, carries, travels, and palming the ball. I wonder what some of these "great players" would look like if the game was called as it was originally intended instead of being called to increase entertainment value?

Kobe didn't try to be better than MJ by tearing MJ and his accomplishments down. He tried to match and exceed them. LBJ stacked the deck to catch MJ, hilariously failed, and is now trying to tear down MJ's accomplishments or the competition in his era to make the KD sized gap between MJ and LBJs accomplishments seem closer than they actually are. And people like you are either too dumb or too fanboyed out to actually critically think about what you're seeing.