I don't understand why cacs are so mad lol imagine if Jamies Winston would of done something like this
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I don't understand why cacs are so mad lol imagine if Jamies Winston would of done something like this
Billy Hoyle
All Star
If you win the Big 10 you'll have wins over Wisconsin.
We'll have wins over 3 top 10 teams including being the only team to beat those two teams.
It's not even a question of whether we'll get in. I'd be rooting for West Virginia this weekend if I were you
Billy Hoyle
All Star
Them some Dude-bro tears right there:pepmad:
That dude needs to embrace the villain role. He just looks like a whiny bytch doing this sort of thing.
malbaker86
Gators
Nah we just need Miami n Bama to win out. Oklahoma to a extent too
If you win the Big 10 you'll have wins over Wisconsin.
We'll have wins over 3 top 10 teams including being the only team to beat those two teams.
It's not even a question of whether we'll get in. I'd be rooting for West Virginia this weekend if I were you
:AuburnCamby:
It ain't personal
Sounds personal to meIt ain't personal
Billy Hoyle
All Star
That post was assuming we win out.
Yeah if Bama or UGA wins the SEC then y'all are a shoe in if you win out.
Billy Hoyle
All Star
Everybody always does that cliche of "throw out the records" when it comes to this game.
The reality is that usually only one team is really good and therefore the favorite wins almost every time.
I still think if Bama has 1 loss they put them in over us. That's just me though
Billy Hoyle
All Star
This game is gonna be so lit 
Here's a breakdown of our offensive and defensive numbers. It's incredible how closely matched this game is going to be.
Here's a breakdown of our offensive and defensive numbers. It's incredible how closely matched this game is going to be.
Alabama wins the stat comparisons...on both offense and defense. That's pretty much always the case with them, yet Saban's FIVE national titles have come with only a single undefeated season.
In other words, they still lose games to good teams occasionally, even when superior on paper. And as far as "on paper" goes, I think we have the best equipped team we've had since Saban got there. We had the best players in 2010 (Cam and Fairley). And we probably had the most overall dynamic offense in 2013 and 2014. Our best defense was certainly last year's.
But this is the first year that we don't seem to be at a big disadvantage on either side of the ball. In fact, when you dig deeper, we're not at a disadvantage at all in some regards. Along with some overall numbers, I've added some categories where it's even closer or where we slightly lead. There's a lot listed, enjoy.
DEFENSE
Here are some overall defensive numbers for comparison: All 11 games vs all opponents:
Scoring defense: points allowed:
10.20 - Alabama (#1)
16.60 - Auburn (#8)
Total Defense: yards allowed per play:
3.90 - Alabama (#1)
4.37 - Auburn (#4)
Rushing defense: yards allowed per rush:
2.67 - Alabama (#1)
3.14 - Auburn (#8)
Passing defense: yards allowed per pass:
5.3 - Alabama (#1)
5.9 - Auburn (#5)
Sacks per game:
32 - Auburn (#14)
30 - Alabama (#19)
Tackles for a loss per game:
75 - Alabama (#29)
73 - Auburn (#38)
So Alabama is ahead in almost every category. However, slightly ahead in most cases, with Auburn being Top 10 or even Top 5 in most of the same categories.
And while stats don't tell the whole story, overall stats tell even less of the whole story sometimes. Here are some of those same stats, but broken down by different opponent categories.
Total defense: yards per play vs FBS WINNING TEAMS:
4.52 - Alabama (in 5 games)
4.62 - Auburn (in 6 games)
Points allowed: vs FBS WINNING TEAMS:
17.2 - Alabama
18.2 - Auburn
Points allowed: VS RANKED TEAMS:
17.0 - Auburn (4 games)
17.0 - Alabama (2 games)
Rushing defense: yards allowed per rush: VS RANKED TEAMS
3.20 - Auburn
3.55 - Alabama
And here are some miscellaneous but important things like quarterback hurries, passes broken up, and forced fumbles.
Misc. defense: QB hurries + passes broken up + forced fumbles:
112 - Auburn (56 QBH + 43 PBU + 13 FF)
105 - Alabama (46 QBH + 51 PBU + 8 FF)
The defenses are probably closer than their reputations would have most of us believe. I know we think our defense is pretty good, and I think it is. That isn't to say a good offense can't get on a roll and hurt us. But no more likely than any other good defense it seems. And the ESPN defensive efficiency ratings would reflect that:
ESPN Defensive efficiency
90.1 - Alabama (#1)
88.2 - Auburn (#3)
OFFENSE
Offense....where to begin with offense? This is the most maddening side of the ball for us, obviously. So much potential when the game plan and play calling has confidence in the players and gets the offensive coaches into a groove. When the opposite happens....it's maddening and we lose all creativity and become a relatively easy offense to stop (LSU).
Scoring offense: points per game: all 11 games:
41.4 - Alabama (#7)
37.6 - Auburn (#17)
But again, breaking it down, things change a bit....
Scoring offense: Points per game VS FBS POWER FIVE:
39.6 - Alabama (#7)
38.4 - Auburn (#8)
Scoring offense: Points per game VS FBS POWER FIVE WINNING TEAMS:
35.2 - Auburn
32.8 - Alabama
Scoring offense: Points per game VS RANKED TEAMS:
29.5 - Auburn
27.5 - Alabama
Total offense: yards per play:
7.07 - Alabama (#9)
6.58 - Auburn (#20)
Total offense: yards per play VS FBS POWER FIVE:
6.71 - Alabama (#10)
6.44 - Auburn (#16)
RUSHING OFFENSE
Rushing offense: yards per carry:
6.03 - Alabama (#7)
5.18 - Auburn (#26)
Rushing offense: yards per carry VS RANKED TEAMS
4.30 - Alabama
4.14 - Auburn
PASSING OFFENSE
Passing offense: yards per attempt:
9.2 - Auburn (#8)
9.1 - Alabama (#9)
Passing offense: yards per attempt VS FBS POWER FIVE:
9.3 - Auburn (#7)
8.5 - Alabama (#11)
Passing offense: Passer rating:
165.87 - Alabama (#4)
163.56 - Auburn (#8)
Passing offense: Passer rating: VS FBS POWER FIVE
165.82 - Auburn (#5)
149.96 - Alabama (#14)
Passing offense: QBR rating:
84.1 - Alabama
73.0 - Auburn
One key for us will be what kind of big plays we can get in the passing game. Alabama actually hits on more pass plays of 10+ yards than we do, and about the same 20+ (against FBS Power Five teams). But when you get to 30+ and 40+, you can see we rely on that more.
Passing offense: Long pass plays 20+ VS FBS POWER FIVE TEAMS:
28 - Auburn
27 - Alabama
Passing offense: Long pass plays 30+ VS FBS POWER FIVE TEAMS:
20 - Auburn
11 - Alabama
Passing offense: Long pass plays 40+ VS FBS POWER FIVE TEAMS:
16 - Auburn
6 - Alabama
That 16 on the 40+ yard plays is two per game vs FBS Power 5 teams. Two plays that size is a big deal.
And the final comparison is offense and defense vs our 5 SEC West common opponents. Both teams have exploded for big offense at times (Alabama 613 yards vs Ole Miss, Auburn 629 yards vs Arkansas), and both teams have struggled at times (Alabama 299 vs LSU and 355 vs A&M, and Auburn 354 vs LSU).
And both teams have shut teams down, Alabama more often, for sure.
So here are some offensive and defensive numbers to compare:
OFFENSE
Points per game
42 - Auburn
38 - Alabama
Yards per game
510 - Auburn
441 - Alabama
Yards per play
7.29 - Auburn
6.84 - Alabama
Yards per carry
5.73 - Auburn
5.63 - Alabama
Total QBR
82.70 - Auburn
75.68 - Alabama
DEFENSE
Points allowed per game
13 - Alabama
21 - Auburn
Yards allowed per game
285 - Alabama
364 - Auburn
Yards per play allowed
4.18 - Alabama
5.03 - Auburn
Yards per carry allowed
2.64 - Alabama
3.84 - Auburn
Opponents QBR
73.02 - Alabama
73.98 - Auburn
So there's a bunch of stuff to wade through. On paper, this team should be more competitive than either the 2010 or 2013 teams that won the Iron Bowl. Will it play out that way? Who knows. But it's nice to finally feel like we EXPECT to compete, not just HOPE we do.
In other words, they still lose games to good teams occasionally, even when superior on paper. And as far as "on paper" goes, I think we have the best equipped team we've had since Saban got there. We had the best players in 2010 (Cam and Fairley). And we probably had the most overall dynamic offense in 2013 and 2014. Our best defense was certainly last year's.
But this is the first year that we don't seem to be at a big disadvantage on either side of the ball. In fact, when you dig deeper, we're not at a disadvantage at all in some regards. Along with some overall numbers, I've added some categories where it's even closer or where we slightly lead. There's a lot listed, enjoy.
DEFENSE
Here are some overall defensive numbers for comparison: All 11 games vs all opponents:
Scoring defense: points allowed:
10.20 - Alabama (#1)
16.60 - Auburn (#8)
Total Defense: yards allowed per play:
3.90 - Alabama (#1)
4.37 - Auburn (#4)
Rushing defense: yards allowed per rush:
2.67 - Alabama (#1)
3.14 - Auburn (#8)
Passing defense: yards allowed per pass:
5.3 - Alabama (#1)
5.9 - Auburn (#5)
Sacks per game:
32 - Auburn (#14)
30 - Alabama (#19)
Tackles for a loss per game:
75 - Alabama (#29)
73 - Auburn (#38)
So Alabama is ahead in almost every category. However, slightly ahead in most cases, with Auburn being Top 10 or even Top 5 in most of the same categories.
And while stats don't tell the whole story, overall stats tell even less of the whole story sometimes. Here are some of those same stats, but broken down by different opponent categories.
Total defense: yards per play vs FBS WINNING TEAMS:
4.52 - Alabama (in 5 games)
4.62 - Auburn (in 6 games)
Points allowed: vs FBS WINNING TEAMS:
17.2 - Alabama
18.2 - Auburn
Points allowed: VS RANKED TEAMS:
17.0 - Auburn (4 games)
17.0 - Alabama (2 games)
Rushing defense: yards allowed per rush: VS RANKED TEAMS
3.20 - Auburn
3.55 - Alabama
And here are some miscellaneous but important things like quarterback hurries, passes broken up, and forced fumbles.
Misc. defense: QB hurries + passes broken up + forced fumbles:
112 - Auburn (56 QBH + 43 PBU + 13 FF)
105 - Alabama (46 QBH + 51 PBU + 8 FF)
The defenses are probably closer than their reputations would have most of us believe. I know we think our defense is pretty good, and I think it is. That isn't to say a good offense can't get on a roll and hurt us. But no more likely than any other good defense it seems. And the ESPN defensive efficiency ratings would reflect that:
ESPN Defensive efficiency
90.1 - Alabama (#1)
88.2 - Auburn (#3)
OFFENSE
Offense....where to begin with offense? This is the most maddening side of the ball for us, obviously. So much potential when the game plan and play calling has confidence in the players and gets the offensive coaches into a groove. When the opposite happens....it's maddening and we lose all creativity and become a relatively easy offense to stop (LSU).
Scoring offense: points per game: all 11 games:
41.4 - Alabama (#7)
37.6 - Auburn (#17)
But again, breaking it down, things change a bit....
Scoring offense: Points per game VS FBS POWER FIVE:
39.6 - Alabama (#7)
38.4 - Auburn (#8)
Scoring offense: Points per game VS FBS POWER FIVE WINNING TEAMS:
35.2 - Auburn
32.8 - Alabama
Scoring offense: Points per game VS RANKED TEAMS:
29.5 - Auburn
27.5 - Alabama
Total offense: yards per play:
7.07 - Alabama (#9)
6.58 - Auburn (#20)
Total offense: yards per play VS FBS POWER FIVE:
6.71 - Alabama (#10)
6.44 - Auburn (#16)
RUSHING OFFENSE
Rushing offense: yards per carry:
6.03 - Alabama (#7)
5.18 - Auburn (#26)
Rushing offense: yards per carry VS RANKED TEAMS
4.30 - Alabama
4.14 - Auburn
PASSING OFFENSE
Passing offense: yards per attempt:
9.2 - Auburn (#8)
9.1 - Alabama (#9)
Passing offense: yards per attempt VS FBS POWER FIVE:
9.3 - Auburn (#7)
8.5 - Alabama (#11)
Passing offense: Passer rating:
165.87 - Alabama (#4)
163.56 - Auburn (#8)
Passing offense: Passer rating: VS FBS POWER FIVE
165.82 - Auburn (#5)
149.96 - Alabama (#14)
Passing offense: QBR rating:
84.1 - Alabama
73.0 - Auburn
One key for us will be what kind of big plays we can get in the passing game. Alabama actually hits on more pass plays of 10+ yards than we do, and about the same 20+ (against FBS Power Five teams). But when you get to 30+ and 40+, you can see we rely on that more.
Passing offense: Long pass plays 20+ VS FBS POWER FIVE TEAMS:
28 - Auburn
27 - Alabama
Passing offense: Long pass plays 30+ VS FBS POWER FIVE TEAMS:
20 - Auburn
11 - Alabama
Passing offense: Long pass plays 40+ VS FBS POWER FIVE TEAMS:
16 - Auburn
6 - Alabama
That 16 on the 40+ yard plays is two per game vs FBS Power 5 teams. Two plays that size is a big deal.
And the final comparison is offense and defense vs our 5 SEC West common opponents. Both teams have exploded for big offense at times (Alabama 613 yards vs Ole Miss, Auburn 629 yards vs Arkansas), and both teams have struggled at times (Alabama 299 vs LSU and 355 vs A&M, and Auburn 354 vs LSU).
And both teams have shut teams down, Alabama more often, for sure.
So here are some offensive and defensive numbers to compare:
OFFENSE
Points per game
42 - Auburn
38 - Alabama
Yards per game
510 - Auburn
441 - Alabama
Yards per play
7.29 - Auburn
6.84 - Alabama
Yards per carry
5.73 - Auburn
5.63 - Alabama
Total QBR
82.70 - Auburn
75.68 - Alabama
DEFENSE
Points allowed per game
13 - Alabama
21 - Auburn
Yards allowed per game
285 - Alabama
364 - Auburn
Yards per play allowed
4.18 - Alabama
5.03 - Auburn
Yards per carry allowed
2.64 - Alabama
3.84 - Auburn
Opponents QBR
73.02 - Alabama
73.98 - Auburn
So there's a bunch of stuff to wade through. On paper, this team should be more competitive than either the 2010 or 2013 teams that won the Iron Bowl. Will it play out that way? Who knows. But it's nice to finally feel like we EXPECT to compete, not just HOPE we do.
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Tide Run This
Veteran
We will never see another rivalry in CFB like FSU vs UF in the 90s those games were absurd. 12 straight years and most of those games were top 5 matchups. Off top I wanna say 91,95,96x2,98,99,00
Billy Hoyle
All Star
I can't blame you for rooting for them to run the table. If that happens then it isn't really murky at all. It will beI still think if Bama has 1 loss they put them in over us. That's just me though
Bama
Clem/Miami
Oklahoma
Ohio State
If you have Bama or UGA with one loss then it makes it a little more interesting. And if Miami only loses a close one to Clemson then they might have a say as well.
Best case scenario for you guys is Bama wins out and Miami wins out. (This is assuming y'all beat Wisconsin and Michigan of course)
RammerJammer
#RollTide #TSC #RiseUp #BullsNation #RIPKobe
This game is gonna be so close
Here's a breakdown of our offensive and defensive numbers. It's incredible how closely matched this game is going to be.
Alabama wins the stat comparisons...on both offense and defense. That's pretty much always the case with them, yet Saban's FIVE national titles have come with only a single undefeated season.
In other words, they still lose games to good teams occasionally, even when superior on paper. And as far as "on paper" goes, I think we have the best equipped team we've had since Saban got there. We had the best players in 2010 (Cam and Fairley). And we probably had the most overall dynamic offense in 2013 and 2014. Our best defense was certainly last year's.
But this is the first year that we don't seem to be at a big disadvantage on either side of the ball. In fact, when you dig deeper, we're not at a disadvantage at all in some regards. Along with some overall numbers, I've added some categories where it's even closer or where we slightly lead. There's a lot listed, enjoy.
DEFENSE
Here are some overall defensive numbers for comparison: All 11 games vs all opponents:
Scoring defense: points allowed:
10.20 - Alabama (#1)
16.60 - Auburn (#8)
Total Defense: yards allowed per play:
3.90 - Alabama (#1)
4.37 - Auburn (#4)
Rushing defense: yards allowed per rush:
2.67 - Alabama (#1)
3.14 - Auburn (#8)
Passing defense: yards allowed per pass:
5.3 - Alabama (#1)
5.9 - Auburn (#5)
Sacks per game:
32 - Auburn (#14)
30 - Alabama (#19)
Tackles for a loss per game:
75 - Alabama (#29)
73 - Auburn (#38)
So Alabama is ahead in almost every category. However, slightly ahead in most cases, with Auburn being Top 10 or even Top 5 in most of the same categories.
And while stats don't tell the whole story, overall stats tell even less of the whole story sometimes. Here are some of those same stats, but broken down by different opponent categories.
Total defense: yards per play vs FBS WINNING TEAMS:
4.52 - Alabama (in 5 games)
4.62 - Auburn (in 6 games)
Points allowed: vs FBS WINNING TEAMS:
17.2 - Alabama
18.2 - Auburn
Points allowed: VS RANKED TEAMS:
17.0 - Auburn (4 games)
17.0 - Alabama (2 games)
Rushing defense: yards allowed per rush: VS RANKED TEAMS
3.20 - Auburn
3.55 - Alabama
And here are some miscellaneous but important things like quarterback hurries, passes broken up, and forced fumbles.
Misc. defense: QB hurries + passes broken up + forced fumbles:
112 - Auburn (56 QBH + 43 PBU + 13 FF)
105 - Alabama (46 QBH + 51 PBU + 8 FF)
The defenses are probably closer than their reputations would have most of us believe. I know we think our defense is pretty good, and I think it is. That isn't to say a good offense can't get on a roll and hurt us. But no more likely than any other good defense it seems. And the ESPN defensive efficiency ratings would reflect that:
ESPN Defensive efficiency
90.1 - Alabama (#1)
88.2 - Auburn (#3)
OFFENSE
Offense....where to begin with offense? This is the most maddening side of the ball for us, obviously. So much potential when the game plan and play calling has confidence in the players and gets the offensive coaches into a groove. When the opposite happens....it's maddening and we lose all creativity and become a relatively easy offense to stop (LSU).
Scoring offense: points per game: all 11 games:
41.4 - Alabama (#7)
37.6 - Auburn (#17)
But again, breaking it down, things change a bit....
Scoring offense: Points per game VS FBS POWER FIVE:
39.6 - Alabama (#7)
38.4 - Auburn (#8)
Scoring offense: Points per game VS FBS POWER FIVE WINNING TEAMS:
35.2 - Auburn
32.8 - Alabama
Scoring offense: Points per game VS RANKED TEAMS:
29.5 - Auburn
27.5 - Alabama
Total offense: yards per play:
7.07 - Alabama (#9)
6.58 - Auburn (#20)
Total offense: yards per play VS FBS POWER FIVE:
6.71 - Alabama (#10)
6.44 - Auburn (#16)
RUSHING OFFENSE
Rushing offense: yards per carry:
6.03 - Alabama (#7)
5.18 - Auburn (#26)
Rushing offense: yards per carry VS RANKED TEAMS
4.30 - Alabama
4.14 - Auburn
PASSING OFFENSE
Passing offense: yards per attempt:
9.2 - Auburn (#8)
9.1 - Alabama (#9)
Passing offense: yards per attempt VS FBS POWER FIVE:
9.3 - Auburn (#7)
8.5 - Alabama (#11)
Passing offense: Passer rating:
165.87 - Alabama (#4)
163.56 - Auburn (#8)
Passing offense: Passer rating: VS FBS POWER FIVE
165.82 - Auburn (#5)
149.96 - Alabama (#14)
Passing offense: QBR rating:
84.1 - Alabama
73.0 - Auburn
One key for us will be what kind of big plays we can get in the passing game. Alabama actually hits on more pass plays of 10+ yards than we do, and about the same 20+ (against FBS Power Five teams). But when you get to 30+ and 40+, you can see we rely on that more.
Passing offense: Long pass plays 20+ VS FBS POWER FIVE TEAMS:
28 - Auburn
27 - Alabama
Passing offense: Long pass plays 30+ VS FBS POWER FIVE TEAMS:
20 - Auburn
11 - Alabama
Passing offense: Long pass plays 40+ VS FBS POWER FIVE TEAMS:
16 - Auburn
6 - Alabama
That 16 on the 40+ yard plays is two per game vs FBS Power 5 teams. Two plays that size is a big deal.
And the final comparison is offense and defense vs our 5 SEC West common opponents. Both teams have exploded for big offense at times (Alabama 613 yards vs Ole Miss, Auburn 629 yards vs Arkansas), and both teams have struggled at times (Alabama 299 vs LSU and 355 vs A&M, and Auburn 354 vs LSU).
And both teams have shut teams down, Alabama more often, for sure.
So here are some offensive and defensive numbers to compare:
OFFENSE
Points per game
42 - Auburn
38 - Alabama
Yards per game
510 - Auburn
441 - Alabama
Yards per play
7.29 - Auburn
6.84 - Alabama
Yards per carry
5.73 - Auburn
5.63 - Alabama
Total QBR
82.70 - Auburn
75.68 - Alabama
DEFENSE
Points allowed per game
13 - Alabama
21 - Auburn
Yards allowed per game
285 - Alabama
364 - Auburn
Yards per play allowed
4.18 - Alabama
5.03 - Auburn
Yards per carry allowed
2.64 - Alabama
3.84 - Auburn
Opponents QBR
73.02 - Alabama
73.98 - Auburn
So there's a bunch of stuff to wade through. On paper, this team should be more competitive than either the 2010 or 2013 teams that won the Iron Bowl. Will it play out that way? Who knows. But it's nice to finally feel like we EXPECT to compete, not just HOPE we do.
Good analysis, I know it's cliche but the game is going to come down to the QBs. In my opinion Jalen is having one of the best stretches of his career as a passer, the stats may not look impressive but turn on the tape and it's a night and day difference from last year, he actually look confident throwing the ball and his pass percentage being blitzed is much better than last year.
We can't let Stidham get hot and if we do, we gotta find a way to rattle him because once he's rattled then he struggles a lot like in the LSU and Clemson games, can't allow Slayton to make a big play and watch out for Hastings. Dylan Moses finally getting some confidence and directing traffic made me feel a lot better about our defense, of course stopping Kerryon will be a more difficult task than stopping a Mercer RB.
With our RBs, we're gonna have to use Bo and Najee at some point to wear that defense down, use Jacobs all of the field, and let Damien do what he does best.
All in all, can't wait for Saturday
