Religion/Spirituality The Official Bible Study Thread
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In today's english.
^^^^yall ever hear people talking that "Why do christians eat swine, shellfish, etc?
These verses above give christians the biblical ability to eat whatever they please .
And it also pretty much tells other folks to be quiet about it. others being, other believers. leave your brother alone about eating bacon. (assuming its not actually harming his body-some people have the dna where certain things bother them, some people dont have this issue at all.) to eat or not to eat bacon will not change your ability to get into heaven when its all said and done. thats what's being said in these verses. shoot it even goes as far to say if you brotha is a vegan and he thinks thats best for him and his body. let him do him. and he will not be sinning either way. the same goes with the Lord's day/the sabbath(7th day adventist). Its saying let a man choose to make whatever day he so well chooses to be the lord's day. as long as he keeps the lords day as the lords day. it doesnt matter if its tuesday or sunday or saturday or any other day.
The 2nd half of it is telling you to not set your brother up to fail. meaning, if you brother just stop drinking, you shouldnt be around him sipping on wine. Better yet if you know your friend is married but you know he will get real lose at the club. Dont take your married friend to the club with you because he may not be able to take it like you can. each of us have a different level of will power. And each of us are at a different place with God. lastly each of us have different stumbling blocks. something that you will slip up on wont bother me one bit. but that could go either way.
Marvel
Psalm 149:5-9
emancipate (v.)
1620s, "set free from control," from Latin emancipatus, past participle of emancipare "put (a son) out of paternal authority, declare (someone) free, give up one's authority over," in Roman law, the freeing of a son or wife from the legal authority (patria potestas) of the pater familias, to make his or her own way in the world; from assimilated form of ex- "out, away" (see ex-) + mancipare "deliver, transfer or sell," from mancipum "ownership," from manus "hand" (see manual (adj.)) +capere "take" (see capable). Related: Emancipated; emancipating.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=emancipate&allowed_in_frame=0
You got to focus on the roots and suffixes of words because this devil is good at adding flush to take you away from the true breakdown of words.
it means to hand over or transfer ownership when broken down properly in the latin.
That means you are still held captive...going from enslaved (private) to imprisoned (public). That is why Babylon must fill the prisons to continue the emancipation proclamation in its true meaning. Thus fulfilling scriptures.
captive (adj.)
late 14c., "imprisoned, enslaved," from Latin captivus "caught, taken prisoner," from captus, past participle of capere "to take, hold, seize" (see capable). As a noun from c.1400; an Old English noun was hæftling, from hæft "taken, seized."
Showing you that we are the ones in captivity...further proving that our people have to be the Israelites.
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Marvel
Psalm 149:5-9
Thank ahch...that is all I do in my spare time now when I am not grinding for daily bread. Go through scripts, match up prophecies with history and study words. I follow a few groups and teachers online...I'm not trying to join one yet. I figure when the time comes i will build with some brethren that come up locally and want to soak up knowledge. Right now, just trying to build the spiritual foundation and make sure there is no leaven hindering my walk. When the time is right, I will be out there pushing the gospel on the corners with the right people.
Marvel
Psalm 149:5-9
Again...you lack understanding and you need to stay away from those new translations as well.
Explain this? Read all 3 verses and pay closes attention to verse 17.
The seed of Israel that is doing that will get that judgement when he cracks through the sky. You need to read the Book of Maccabees and see the accounts of men of the Lord, Israelites that were put to death by the Greeks because they refused to eat unclean foods.
Paul was talking about people deciding to eat as they wish as long as its according to the dietary law. Go to the Book of Daniel, Daniel was on a vegetarian diet while he was in Babylon. He abstained from eating meat. He was not being unlawful and a brother cannot come and make him eat even lawful meat because he has the liberty to do that within the law. You also have some brethren that may be fasting and he may not want to eat because of it and brother might be all in face like "Man, this chicken is good breh...you should try it
". You will be surprised how that can disrupt harmony among brethren. That is why Paul had to bring it up.I have a friend that does not eat beef or pork and people get on him it about it sometimes..he is not a hindu either...he just never liked beef since he was a kid and eats fish and chicken. That is basically what Paul was talking about...allowing a man to exercise that liberty that is within the law...he was not talking about go and eat swine other abominations.
Those unclean foods are responsible for many of our ailments. Gout, obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes. That is why the people that just so happen to be from the seed of Israel suffer the curses/sicknesses for eating those same foods.
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Chez Lopez
Neo-Abolitionist
Marvel is absolutely right. You must understand the times to understand what Paul is saying here. That's the danger of new translations, they change doctrine as well
The jews of the time were persecuting followers of the Messiah by forcing them to become circumcised and forcing them to adhere to the law for righteousness, not for the righteousness of Yahusha HaMasciach. They were teaching that the circumscision is what saves, not the Messiah. Paul put a stop to that. Paul taught that salvation comes through the Name of Yahusha first, then through abiding by the law of Yahusha. Christians use verses like these to attempt to undermine the law and denounce biblical teaching.
Romans 3
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.
And if its in the bible its NOT a myth. If the bible backs up what another culture deems as mythology, then the culture is wrong, not the bible. If we pick apart the bible deeming what is myth and what is true by our own societies standards, then we destroy Yahuah's word and uphold the word of man.
Romans 3
3 For what if some did not believe ? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect ? 4 God forbid : yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written , That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged .
The jews of the time were persecuting followers of the Messiah by forcing them to become circumcised and forcing them to adhere to the law for righteousness, not for the righteousness of Yahusha HaMasciach. They were teaching that the circumscision is what saves, not the Messiah. Paul put a stop to that. Paul taught that salvation comes through the Name of Yahusha first, then through abiding by the law of Yahusha. Christians use verses like these to attempt to undermine the law and denounce biblical teaching.
Romans 3
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.
And if its in the bible its NOT a myth. If the bible backs up what another culture deems as mythology, then the culture is wrong, not the bible. If we pick apart the bible deeming what is myth and what is true by our own societies standards, then we destroy Yahuah's word and uphold the word of man.
Romans 3
3 For what if some did not believe ? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect ? 4 God forbid : yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written , That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged .
Chez Lopez
Neo-Abolitionist
Excellent interpretation here. This is exactly why learning the ancient languages is important. There are all sorts of hidden secrets lying waiting to be discovered in etymological research. excellent work bro.
Marvel
Psalm 149:5-9
That was strong breh. That Romans 3:28 is a cut for Christians that say the law is done away with. And just like you said..the faith in the Messiah is what give us the strength to begin keeping the laws...before that I could not put bacon down...now its easy as well as other things in the law. I have gotten healthier and I have grown spiritually the more become obedient to the law by faith in the Messiah.And like Paul said we are truly not justified in the keeping the law unless we have faith in the the Messiah. But faith in the him allows him to dwell in you and naturally act out the law. I remember I stopped showing my beard when I came into the Truth...I had no idea why I stopped...later I learned that it was in the law to not shave off your beard. Showing that my faith began to change my actions and naturally keep laws I wasn't aware of at the time.
If someone came into the Truth and was not circumcised in the flesh...it does not matter because they have been circumcised in the heart which was the spiritual meaning of the law of circumcision. Now for us that are in the Truth...if we have a son we will observe circumcision because it is still our law and it shows obedience as well. If a brother is uncircumcised in the flesh when he comes into the Truth and he wants to get circumcised he is still justified in the law and we shouldn't prevent him to doing it.
That means...as long as man is within the parameters of the covenant...he can exercise his liberty.
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Marvel
Psalm 149:5-9
Thanks breh. You got to check that website..it has some deep stuff. Also, I suggest that you get this book as well when reading the kjv.
You will realize that definition of words have change a lot since then. This was made around the same type the apocrypha was taken out of the 1611. Its probably the last dictionary that has the meaning of old English words.
ReturnOfJudah
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Marvel
Psalm 149:5-9
The Bible is code that can only be cracked by a select group on people on the earth. The first few chapters are both allegorical and literal. You need to have the spirit of the Heavenly Father to break it down properly. The first few chapters has turned many people into athiest/agnostics....just like it was intended. The Most High is not trying reveal his secrets to everybody.
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http://www.etymonline.com/index.php
http://www.blueletterbible.org/
All these tools have bones that you have to pick out....but once you are able to pick out the bones...you will be able to enjoy the meat
Interesting info: Eerdmans bible dictionary tells you in the definition of Edom that the Israelites called the Romans...Edomites. But Esau tells you in the same definition that Israelites called all their enemies Edomites as a lie to throw you off. Showing you more and more that these devils know who they are. They no doubt got a hold of some historical Israelite documents from the first century to confirm that information of the Romans being called Edomites by Israelites.
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