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[surv2syn]

Meldrick Taylor have all the skills. But look what happened when he faced Chavez Sr.. Skills is a major element to become great but there are also other factors. Chavez isn't really all that skilled compared to Taylor, Leonard, etc.

I have yet to see Broner get challenge. At least I saw Floyd. Let's see how he does against pressure.

not sure I see what your point is....Chavez was already on the way to HOF career, he was already a 3 division champ and 68-0. thats not a test. thats a mountain. and Taylor wouldve won the fight if he wouldve pay attention to what the ref was asking him rather than what his corner was shouting. Ironically, Bradley survived exact same situation last night against a much lesser fighter than Chavez.

the game as it is now is not about testing how good you are, its about getting to the marquee matchup first. Like Jones Jr getting to Toney.

Furthermore, when did you see Floyd challenged early in his career? He was never challenged before he got a million dollar payday unless you consider Emanuel Augustus busting his nose. Floyd's 1st threat was Corrales (RIP). His first test was Castillo.

 

[Suiken]

not sure I see what your point is....Chavez was already on the way to HOF career, he was already a 3 division champ and 68-0. thats not a test. thats a mountain. and Taylor wouldve won the fight if he wouldve pay attention to what the ref was asking him rather than what his corner was shouting. Ironically, Bradley survived exact same situation last night against a much lesser fighter than Chavez.

the game as it is now is not about testing how good you are, its about getting to the marquee matchup first. Like Jones Jr getting to Toney.

Furthermore, when did you see Floyd challenged early in his career? He was never challenged before he got a million dollar payday unless you consider Emanuel Augustus busting his nose. Floyd's 1st threat was Corrales (RIP). His first test was Castillo.

My point is skill is not everything. You cannot be great with it alone. You need marquee wins. And yes, Taylor outboxed Chavez but Chavez never quit. There are times that heart beats skills and vice versa.

 

[surv2syn]

It's not like I'm trying to discredit the dude or whatever. But never count chickens until they hatched. There are many prospects that was "The next big thing" but never reached that status.

you are right, there are tons of prospects like that, but the difference is, the marketability, which allows certain prospects to be able to be matched much easier. the other difference is skill. some of these prospects are terribly flawed. Broner isnt. the PDL fight is his biggest haunting right now. Dont expect Broner to be matched too heavily from here out until he gets a blockbuster fight. Dont expect it afterwards either. Haymon has the FMJ blueprint and he will apply it to Broner.

 

[surv2syn]

My point is skill is not everything. You cannot be great with it alone. You need marquee wins. And yes, Taylor outboxed Chavez but Chavez never quit. There are times that heart beats skills and vice versa.

its not everything you are correct, but every now and then you have a fighter that comes along with the skill and the marketability. that allows the "right" matches to be made for them.

see, Bradley for instance dont have the skills or marketability that Broner does, hence the reason why he may never get another huge fight. Bradley can beat a lot of fighters with heart, like he did last night, but eventhough it was a FOY candidate, nobody still cares who Bradley is. Broner is a villian ala Floyd. People care about Broner and his next move....HBO will make sure of that. Thats why the Paulie fight is taking place. As a fight it stinks, but as a theatrical piece and visibility building fight....it does the trick.

 

[surv2syn]

i just got back and watched the card..this shyt brought my high back up..lol
the vargas fight was ill and the main event was fukkin great! Timmy's conditioning saved his ass but he came back into it and was looking on top..the 12th round had me biting my nails. hahahahha..

this is true, sadly, Tim Bradley will criticized for sacrificing being in an exciting fight in favor of his ring superiority and vice versa. it was a GREAT fight and he should get credit for that.

 

[SuikodenII]

not sure I see what your point is....Chavez was already on the way to HOF career, he was already a 3 division champ and 68-0. thats not a test. thats a mountain. and Taylor wouldve won the fight if he wouldve pay attention to what the ref was asking him rather than what his corner was shouting. Ironically, Bradley survived exact same situation last night against a much lesser fighter than Chavez.

the game as it is now is not about testing how good you are, its about getting to the marquee matchup first. Like Jones Jr getting to Toney.

Furthermore, when did you see Floyd challenged early in his career? He was never challenged before he got a million dollar payday unless you consider Emanuel Augustus busting his nose. Floyd's 1st threat was Corrales (RIP). His first test was Castillo.

Considering that both Roger and Floyd Jr in recent times both publicly stated that it was Jr's toughest bout to date......we should all be inclined to believe it

I agree with what you're saying though I have a request; define your difference between a threat and a test.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

Damn at that fight last night...

Timmy got one hell of a chin but we already knew that...That overhand right Provo caught him with in the first round is the same shyt JMM caught Manny with and

Roy summed up Timmy the best though, the boy is the Tebow of boxing...It's never pretty, he's swinging pillows, he doesn't do much right in the ring but somehow always wins...

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Yall out your damn fool mind if you think Bradley wont have another big fight

Bradley got Rios, JMM, N rematch

This nikka provodnikov face lookin like ground beef tallin bout I didnt feel his punches

 

[SuikodenII]

Damn at that fight last night...

Timmy got one hell of a chin but we already knew that...That overhand right Provo caught him with in the first round is the same shyt JMM caught Manny with and

Roy summed up Timmy the best though, the boy is the Tebow of boxing...It's never pretty, he's swinging pillows, he doesn't do much right in the ring but somehow always wins...

Great Chin?

Great Heart I'd agree with but.....

...and insane recovery

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

N for those saying Bradley almost lost to a no name lah blah blah

Then wanna cry when no name nikkas like Ajose or Matthysse type nikkas dont get they shots right away N wonder why

 

[SuikodenII]

N for those saying Bradley almost lost to a no name lah blah blah

Then wanna cry when no name nikkas like Ajose or Matthysse type nikkas dont get they shots right away N wonder why

Matthysse would've laid his ass out, no doubt in my mind.......

I have a question though, why doesn't Timmy move back down to 140, he was a lot more effective down there. The higher in weight you go, the harder it is to mask skill deficiencies you may have...you'll be exposed to more danger than need be

They MUST be making JMM-Bradley at Welterweight cause no way should he have went back to 147. Also explains why he turned down Peterson at 140 and went with another 140lb fighter to return against, just at a higher weight.

 

[ahomeplateslugger]

crazy fight. bradley made it closer than it had to be by making it a brawl early.

 

[Sam Peel]

watching this now, end of the 6th round was crazy, you could see the desperation and fear on bradley's face knowing he had to keep throwing or it was gonna be stopped.

 

[-{J03c00L}-]

I've seen Ruslan fight on ESPN 3 times. Watched the fight he lost even. Love watching him fight. But as usual his punches lose steam.

Tim Bradley has a big of Paul Williams in him. No real power just always in attack mode. If he runs into the wrong counter-puncher he'll be done in a 6 rounds.

That's his one big issue.

 

[surv2syn]

Considering that both Roger and Floyd Jr in recent times both publicly stated that it was Jr's toughest bout to date......we should all be inclined to believe it

I agree with what you're saying though I have a request; define your difference between a threat and a test.

Augustus was a tough fight, but they both know that Castillo I was their toughest fight because although Augustus was tough he wasnt really in position to win. He couldve been their toughest fight all things considered, Castillo made Floyd dig a lil deeper.

Threat and Test....ok.

Corrales was viewed as his biggest threat due to his dominance and frightning punching power. He was walking through good fighters. Even though Floyd didnt have problem with Manfredy, there was a tad bit of controversy there...whereas Corrales nearly killed Manfredy. Corrales was a threat because of the danger his punching power presented. Same as Zab was a major threat because he matched Floyd in every athletic category and was a harder puncher. Castillo was a test because although he didnt have the power of Corrales or the speed of Judah, he was a much more well rounded fighter than either of them and he FORCED FMJ to fight inside, thus FMJ had to show his mettle and versatility.

To use Broner as an example.....Khan because of his power and physical advantages would be a threat to Broner...but not necessarily his biggest test. A guy like Maidana wouldnt be as big a threat to beat Broner as Khan....but he would definitely be more of a test I believe because he could push Broner in ways that Khan cant.