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[SuikodenII]

Four nikka???? :wooow:

Depending on his court date, he could still fight I'm guessing...they could always postpone like they did with Mayweather's jail time

I mean, he might just get a slap on the wrists for not knowing but.......supposedly he carried on other flights, just how in the hell did that happen

 

[Big Boss]

i read that robert has to go to court on may 14th

 

[Big Boss]

Four nikka???? :wooow:

if lil wayne had to do time, you know robert will be doing time.

 

[JohnStarksMiddleFinger]

Depending on his court date, he could still fight I'm guessing...they could always postpone like they did with Mayweather's jail time

I mean, he might just get a slap on the wrists for not knowing but.......supposedly he carried on other flights, just how in the hell did that happen

if lil wayne had to do time, you know robert will be doing time.

i think the only thing saving him was that the gun wasn't loaded. He's still a dumbass.

Was Wayne's gun loaded?

 

[SuikodenII]

if lil wayne had to do time, you know robert will be doing time.

He's a rapper though, and he was caught with drugs...

 

[RedBull]

**buys 80**

"Man they had me waitin all day "

If only dude could be more natural like that N less forced all the time

Agreed. He's naturally funny IMO.

 

[Big Boss]

i think the only thing saving him was that the gun wasn't loaded. He's still a dumbass.

Was Wayne's gun loaded?

i don't know

 

[HARLEM AL]

prolly because there was always nikkas to fight at middle back then plus i think he had that mentality that if you move up that means you have don't have enough discipline to maintain..he would have had a good shot of beating mike spinks if he went up to light heavy

He had ok people to fight. But there was a reason he stayed at MW. he was short as shyt. Him beating spanks....I dont know about that. Thats like floyd vs Ward. To big of a Size difference.

 

[surv2syn]

So you want Floyd to fight JMW and MW fighters, people 20-35 pounds higher than his walk around/fighting weight since he doesnt rehydrate like most fighters. A small lmw Cotto was able to pin him to the ropes, Floyd shouldnt be fighting at 154 and above although I felt he retained his speed and power, he's just giving up too many advantages, at higher weights, shyt lightweights rehydrate to 147 and Floyd fights a pound or 2 more than that.


What's next after that fight a HW, this is exactly why Floyd should retire soon, he's fighting himself at this point



Question though who would you be satisfied with Floyd fighting at this point and why do they deserve a Floyd shot???

I agree, I dont think there is anyone I want to see Floyd fight that deserves a shot. Floyd has not always fought the most deserving and challenging fighters at times those fights could be made. At the same time, he has gone through periods where there was no one really deserving or challenging for him to fight.

Yall dont really understand how down I was on boxing. Do you think Cotto could be FMJ in a rematch? If I dont think so, I really dont want to see it. Its cool to watch somebody like Rios, but I have seen Floyd enough and want to see a fight that is intriguing. I am not saying its all his fault there is none. We mentioned Alexander earlier, and I am sure Khan has been mentioned before, etc...but honestly, those arent intriguing fights either...although I would likely tune in.

Yall know that feeling you get when its a fight that has some risk or threat on both sides? I get that nervous feeling. I mean, when the bell is about to ring....I cant sit down. I gotta be standing up, close up on the action. I lost that feeling last year. Not just with FMJ, but I didnt want to see Martinez, Donaire, definitely no Klitschko fights.

I do blame FMJ at times, but at the same time, I now we cant ask but so much of him. Like I said in another post, at some point you are just asking too much. FMJ is part to blame though because maybe we wouldnt be asking so much if we felt we got our share earlier in his career.

 

[surv2syn]

Never was a big Hagler fan. Funny shyt is dude never moved up but people are crucify other fighters for not moving up.

Hagler didnt have to move up though. Bernard couldve fought at 160 his whole career but it wasnt any money around there, plus he had lost to Taylor twice. You have to realize, the most impressive thing Bernard did at MW was the 20 defenses...but outside of beating Tito, his opposition was lacking. His career at MW even with those defenses dont stack up to Roy Jones at the same time. Jones had a better early career. Bernard, better late. Bernards most meaningful fights have been after MW. Pavlik, Tarver, Cloud, Pascal....those are the most impressive fights IMO.

I dont feel fighters need to jump up and down in weight unless its beneficial. Hagler has always been content with his payday and he didnt overstay his welcome. After the SRL fight, dude turned down $12 mil for a rematch. Why would he need to move up if he was turning down that type of money to fight at MW? They say after that fight, dude never put on a pair of gloves again. He was pleased with what he did.

SN: Mickey Ward fought his whole career at 140 and he said the reason a lot of fighters move up is because they are too lazy to put the work in to stay at a particular weight.

I would like to see fighters stay at a particular weight longer. I dont think they should jump weight unless they have no challenges or money in their current class.

 

[surv2syn]

prolly because there was always nikkas to fight at middle back then plus i think he had that mentality that if you move up that means you have don't have enough discipline to maintain..he would have had a good shot of beating mike spinks if he went up to light heavy

I mentioned this with the Mickey Ward statement. Hagler was disciplined as hell. I think it was like this....why not build your kingdom and reign? Everyone wanted to come to Hagler to dethrone him, he didnt have to go looking for opponents. Curry, McCallum, etc...they never made it to Hagler...but Hagler took on all comers. Nobody wanted to come to Bernard, he didnt bring no money. Hence the reason for him going to LHW. He had to search out challenges. Hagler was the challenge.

 

[Black Gatsby]

He had ok people to fight. But there was a reason he stayed at MW. he was short as shyt. Him beating spanks....I dont know about that. Thats like floyd vs Ward. To big of a Size difference.

He was 5'10, small in terms of middle's today when you think of Pavlik being 6'2 but Martinez is 5'10 and got at Pavlik so why not?

Spinks fought at light middle and middle (gold at the Olympics at the weight) as an amateur, so perhaps size may not have been as big an issue as you say.

 

[surv2syn]

He was 5'10, small in terms of middle's today when you think of Pavlik being 6'2 but Martinez is 5'10 and got at Pavlik so why not?

Spinks fought at light middle and middle (gold at the Olympics at the weight) as an amateur, so perhaps size may not have been as big an issue as you say.

I actually prefer fighters who stay in their weight class because one thing it proves is you damn sure aint running from nobody. Its like you got my name, number, and address, bring ass if you want to get ass. I dont know when we will see Andre Ward move up, why should he? He can dominate 168 for a while. If he is cool with the money then why not? What you wont see happen is someone call out Ward to fight him in his own division and he decline. He couldnt turn Dawson down, thats like somebody sayin I am coming to your house to kick your ass and you say...."uhh, I wont be home". I think Ward would leave though if there is no viable options or challenges.

Also, there are glamour divisions. Spinks went to heavyweight briefly and made more money in 3 fights than he did his whole career at LHW. HW, LHW, MW, WW, LW, FW....all of those are glamour divisions. Why do you thing BHop skipped 168? Hagler was already ruler of one of the divine kingdoms.

 

[surv2syn]

He was 5'10, small in terms of middle's today when you think of Pavlik being 6'2 but Martinez is 5'10 and got at Pavlik so why not?

Spinks fought at light middle and middle (gold at the Olympics at the weight) as an amateur, so perhaps size may not have been as big an issue as you say.

I dont think he could fukk with Spinks. A great bigger man beats a great smaller man to me. Hagler couldve beaten most LHW's at that time though. Martinez is 5'10" but he aint no dominant MW against the type of opposition Hagler had. If Martinez fought 3 times a year against top MW talent I think his days would be numbered. He had problems with Chavez and he aint no top middleweight really.

 

[Black Gatsby]

I think Martinez has given a good account of himself of himself in the land of the giants, just a shame that he started getting it in at such a late age. Think the fact he is so unorthodox would throw off a lot of people, even with Chavez he was flogging that boy for 10 and a half/11 rounds.