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the fukk breh? ...

just making a point that in most cases (not all) refusal to comply to voluntary requests or acquiescence can imply guilt. sometimes it can be used against you in court. refusing a breathalyzer doesnt mean you are over the legal limit, but why refuse it? there is some subjectivity in my point, but it was a blurb as I stated.

my point is this. suppose one of Pac's guys comes out and said he doped for such and such fight. then just like Margs, every fight before that comes under scrutiny and actually can be discredited.

If he loses to Floyd but agrees to tests, one thing can be said. he was clean for that fight.

why go through that trouble when now someone can come out and lie even and you lend credibility to the lie because you sittin here duckin tests?

 

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In all fairness though, I don't think a lot of people saw the ass whipping Manny put on Oscar coming in the fashion that he did. In the hindsight I guess the writing was on the wall, but Manny was still a Lightweight moving the 147 so you still had to think of how he'd perform. Though I always liked Pacquiao, the fight to me that proved he can fight the real Welters was against Cotto.

I would love to sound like a genius and say I did, but I didnt think he would beat the brakes and rotors off his ass like that either. Still, I didnt see him losing and I picked him to possibly stop DLH. I remember telling my boy and his brother those exact words over beer at the fukkin Ale House!

 

[firemanBk]

thats why I used the term FOOLS GOLD. the reason for DLH being a favorite was based purely off his name. there was no reason to think that a guy getting touched by 2 Pounds could beat Pac

people thought SRL would beat Camacho. he was also favored over Norris.

casual fans that :udontknow: control the odds on betting in a fight of such magnitude. Tyson shouldve been the underdog in his last two fights but I'll betcha even after losing to McBride, had he fought any other soft touch he wouldve been the favorite still, even though he admitted he was only fighting for the IRS.

DLH was the favorite based name and size, I thought. Pac had only fought above 130 1 time before that fight. Most thought the size difference would be too much. Now we know, definitively, Manny kills bigger fighters (DLH, Cotto, Margarito) and struggles with the smaller guys who can match his speed (JMM, Morales)

 

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In all fairness though, I don't think a lot of people saw the ass whipping Manny put on Oscar coming in the fashion that he did. In the hindsight I guess the writing was on the wall, but Manny was still a Lightweight moving the 147 so you still had to think of how he'd perform. Though I always liked Pacquiao, the fight to me that proved he can fight the real Welters was against Cotto.

I learned the hard way and still learning. In boxing, anything can happen. Nothing is for certain. Also remember, weight dont win fights.

Skills pay the bills!

 

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DLH was the favorite based name and size, I thought. Pac had only fought above 130 1 time before that fight. Most thought the size difference would be too much. Now we know, definitively, Manny kills bigger fighters (DLH, Cotto, Margarito) and struggles with the smaller guys who can match his speed (JMM, Morales)

so true....this is why a guy like Jermain Taylor was mowing guys like Joppy over but couldnt dominate Cory Spinks, a guy that Zab KOed (I picked Spinks to beat Taylor). Remember when Chris Byrd came back to LHW? People say he was drained, but how much does Byrd weigh now? He walks around at like 185! It wasnt the weight that made him hang with the Klitschkos and other heavyweights, it was that he had an advantage in speed and elusiveness.

In Byrd's case, skills definitely paid his bills.

 

[HamAndEgger]

I learned the hard way and still learning. In boxing, anything can happen. Nothing is for certain. Also remember, weight dont win fights.

Skills pay the bills!

I think weight becomes an issue depending on style match ups.

Usually, a faster / smaller guy can outpoint a bigger, stronger, plodding fighter (Pacquiao vs Margarito). I think the weight becomes an issue when you have two fighters who have similar attributes, but one guy is clearly the bigger of the two. Like the terms goes, "A great big man man will beat a great little man". Not always true of course, but more cases than not.

 

[HamAndEgger]

I would love to sound like a genius and say I did, but I didnt think he would beat the brakes and rotors off his ass like that either. Still, I didnt see him losing and I picked him to possibly stop DLH. I remember telling my boy and his brother those exact words over beer at the fukkin Ale House!

Yea I picked Pac too, but watching it I was like Get Oscar the f*ck out of that ring already.

This told the story of that night too

 

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I think weight becomes an issue depending on style match ups.

Usually, a faster / smaller guy can outpoint a bigger, stronger, plodding fighter (Pacquiao vs Margarito). I think the weight becomes an issue when you have two fighters who have similar attributes, but one guy is clearly the bigger of the two. Like the terms goes, "A great big man man will beat a great little man". Not always true of course, but more cases than not.

it does matter sometimes as you say. there have been many cases of it. one guy feels the punches a lot more and one a lot less. Like Rios vs Peterson.

one thing people overlook though is when you weaken yourself to make weight, you feel the punches much more.

 

[Black_Jesus]

boi I can blow wholes all through that post...

you just said the top draw and how much someone gets paid is two different things...then proceeded to give figures that FMJ made more than Pac yet Floyd only fought once. where u get that Pac vs Marg was in 2011?

Had a brain fart there.... got the date of Pac/marg and pac/Mosely confused with each other... im at work typing too fast on a Galaxy...

Now what figures did I give that Floyd made more than Pac in 2011 when I clearly say Pac/Marquez did approx 89million in revenue and Floyd/ortiz did 87 million... Pac/shane did 83 mill and Pac/Margerito did 70 mill.. that's 3 fights in a years time span (nov2010-nov (2011) where Pac is coming close to 100 mill in revenue with his last fight(Pac/roidquez)that year doing even better than Floyd/ortiz

Floyd hadnt lost since.....well, the word lost doesnt seem to be coming up when I google FMJ, thats funny.

Completely irrelevant... that word that doesn't come up for Floydie also doesn't come up for Bradley or Canelo.. Don't mean they deserve 50/50 now does it..

Margarito revenue was around $70 mil. Closer to $60 ($64 mil to be exact, you dont round off 64 to 70)

because you have to include the millions made from gate/ticket sales... im talking total revenue

Pac agreed to ALL TESTS, COMPLETELY RANDOM??? ok, here is what I am gonna need for you to do for me from here on out. :dkufdup: I am gonna need you to cite your sources. that shyt was damn near after the fact.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02-foIlFF1Q‎]Michael Konz on Mayweather Pacquiao fight negotiations - YouTube[/ame]

The only isse Pac had with the tests were taking them close to the fight which was why he was asking for cuttoff days claiming he felt weak..
But since 2011 Manny has come off of that shyt out of desperation to make the fight, and this is when Floyd switches his demands up

Mosley did beat DLH first, hence he was named P4P before Floyd or Pac. Hence he was a bigger draw than both. So you just proved my point. The issue is Mosely has been losing since, as has Manny, but not Floyd. Yet, he still is the highest paid ATHLETE..not just boxer.

:dkufdup: then you have the audacity to turn around and say that Pac became a draw because he beat a DLH??? after you just asked "so what if Floyd beat Oscar first?"

I didn't say Pac became as big a draw as Floyd because he beat Oscar... I said he became that huge draw because he DESTOYED Oscar and Hatton and cotto and Clottey and Shane and Margerito this was all within the 4 year timeframe that he was in his first ppv fight that did over a Million with oscar and when Floyd demanded that he keep all the revenue from their potential fight which was by the end of 2011 right after he fought Ortiz...so we're on the same paige im not talking about after pac lost to Bradley and KO'd by Roidquez obviously..

the ONLY REASON he was gaining more notoriety for those fights against Hatton and DLH is because people were comparing them to their fights with Floyd.

REGARDLESS of your opinion Pacs noteriety was there and it was growing.. people were indeed comparing his victories to Floyds because of how more impressive, brutal and one-sided they were

this is fact....DLH vs Floyd was an intriguing matchup that a lot of people thought DLH would win. the Pac fight was fukkin fool's gold if I ever seen it. I can call on several witnesses that will tell you when everyone was saying DLH was bigger, stronger, and had one-punch KO power and he was gonna beat Manny...they looked at me like I was crazy because I stated that "DLH has virtually no chance of winning this fight"

at fools gold... Pac was coming all the way from 135 breh.. how could anyone predict the asswhoopin that took place in that ring that night...

 

[HamAndEgger]

Hol' Up....Floyd asking for Canelo to come down to 147 to fight???

 

[L68]

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[Black_Jesus]

I like how when discussing the Floyd fight the amount it would make jumps from $100 million to $150 million to $200 million to $1 billion dollars

nikkas act like gets $40 million N Floyd pockets $160 million Pac goin sit on his ass N 40 million... while Floyd gotta pay errybody else wit they hand in the pot GBP Mayweather promotions HBO N errybody else

you're a fukking idiot dude... obviously Floyd wouldn't have to pay everybody If he takes his guaranteed purse and ppv split and let golden boy co promote with Top Rank like its always been done

And please stop acting like the demand from that fight didn't increase from 2009 to 2011.. if you cant acknowledge this I feel sorry for your mother... nikka it was still a $200 million dollar fight even aftwr Pac loses to Bradley..

Floyd said on Bob Cost he can't accept nothing less then 100% PPV yet Cotto gets some PPV the article I posted from Feb '12 said Floyd didn't even discuss the back end wit Pac.... Is it hard to believe that Team came up wit their counter offer, Floyd seent that shyt told them fukk off N that was that??

LMMFAO @ a fight that generated 94million in ppv rev and Cotto only recieved a measley extra 2million ...nothing much else needs to be said bout that

As far as Canelo goes errybody N they mothers know Cotto is next for him...GBP goin use the Floyd is ducking the young champ angle the fight will be at 154...its obvious af....by May 2014 that fight is a mega fight N gets made....Canelo would have no money fights left GBP would wanna cash him out

I wish I was as optimistic about Floydie as you... Floyd will do something to stop this fight from being made... I guarantee.. only time will tell

 

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[surv2syn]

at this point, I am only responding to poke holes in your theories. everyone here knows I am on the record for saying Floyd is part to blame...but you want to absolve Pac from all responsibility and just call Floyd a spineless coward.

Konz is just as his name suggests. Another liar and con artist. He says "THE FINAL OFFER ON THE TABLE was $50 mil guarantee and 45-55 split". Who's offer? Did the Mayweather camp agree to that? Obviously not. Pac agreed to $40 mil split at first but wouldnt agree to drug testing....then when he agreed to drug testing he wanted $10 million more guarantee! So if I take this drug test, I need more money in other words. Then Konz says Manny agreed to take less than 50% but says he didnt interpret it right....lol...and that he wasnt there (to keep his ass from fukkin up I assume). If he didnt interpret that right then how do we know he knew they were saying at the beginning of that first video? Manny dont know how to speak English good. Which is why Konz said he needs to be there before he starts yappin. Then Konz goes on to talk about how Manny is a politician...how ironic.

FMJ said he would wire $20 mil to Pac account within 72 hours but Konz had to fly out to talk about it first.

If FMJ wasnt offering a percentage of his PPV to anybody, why would he offer it openly to a guy (who you say hadnt lost but to Morales in recent years) who arguably lost 4 fights to Marquez and didnt get a decision against Bradley. Manny could easily be a 9 loss fighter if he wasnt so popular and for hopes of keeping a FMJ fight afloat. Hell, he owes his victory against JMM in the 3rd fight to FMJ and should send him a gift because I didnt watch that fight live (one of my periods where I was disgusted and didnt want to see that shyt) but out of all the people that came to me and asked did I see the fight....I said no....but who do you think won...not ONE person said Pac.

 

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