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[Black_Jesus]

if he loses to a welterweight in a even fight, den its one thing
but yall asking him to fight someone whos gonna be outweighing him by almost 20 pounds come fight night
oscar didn't get this treatment
tyson didnt get this treatment
and den when he beats him, yall not even gonna give him credit
as usual

If Floyd beats Canelo at 154 then hes the fukkin man... but he's not a man he's a bytch. .. he would rather Canelo drain down to 147... (not 150-151) instead... but like you saI'd, Floyd can beat these guys but he wont prove it and fight them... its always an excuse

"Hes not popular enough"
"He has to leave his promoter"
"He needs to fight Jessie Vargas first"
"He should move up and fight Andre Dirrel instead"
"He has to come down to 147 (even though he claims he likes JMWs to fight at their comfortable weights)
"If he can come down to 150 then we can make the fight happen"
"I cant accept less than 100% revenue"
JUST FIGHT bytch ASS nikka!!!!

 

[Black_Jesus]

but yall asking him to fight someone whos gonna be outweighing him by almost 20 pounds come fight night

Manny did it though.. but pac got heart.....and the fans werent asking for that fight...

 

[HamAndEgger]

if he loses to a welterweight in a even fight, den its one thing
but yall asking him to fight someone whos gonna be outweighing him by almost 20 pounds come fight night
oscar didn't get this treatment
tyson didnt get this treatment
and den when he beats him, yall not even gonna give him credit
as usual

I'd give Floyd full credit for beating Canelo at 154 as I did with his wins over Oscar and Cotto (even though both were past primes).

To me, I'd rather Floyd just say, "Canelo's too big man. I'm stickin at Welterweight". Then I'm fine with that, there's nothing wrong saying that just like he said Martinez is too big. But don't try to make the kid come down knowing he aint gonna make 147lbs just to say you have leverage in negotiations. Of course, Canelo would be an idiot for going down to 147 just for the money and if he did, he'd deserve everything he got.

The reality is, Floyd's been criticized for years about the lack of opposition he's faced and part of that isn't fault, but like every fighter before him he'll eventually have to fight the young bull (ala Duran vs Barkely, Leonard vs Norris) and I think Canelo could be that fight, but it's gotta be fair.

 

[seemorecizzy]

I'd give Floyd full credit for beating Canelo at 154 as I did with his wins over Oscar and Cotto (even though both were past primes).

To me, I'd rather Floyd just say, "Canelo's too big man. I'm stickin at Welterweight". Then I'm fine with that, there's nothing wrong saying that just like he said Martinez is too big. But don't try to make the kid come down knowing he aint gonna make 147lbs just to say you have leverage in negotiations. Of course, Canelo would be an idiot for going down to 147 just for the money and if he did, he'd deserve everything he got.

The reality is, Floyd's been criticized for years about the lack of opposition he's faced and part of that isn't fault, but like every fighter before him he'll eventually have to fight the young bull (ala Duran vs Barkely, Leonard vs Norris) and I think Canelo could be that fight, but it's gotta be fair.

good post
the only thing is this: nobody cared about fairness when floyd was on the come up, taking every challenge, going up in weight, fighting at a disadvantage and etc. now its da other way around and ppl are trying to act like this lil nikka canelo deserves some leverage

 

[InvictusAeternusEternus]

If it wasn't an issue then Floydies Xylocaine habit wouldn't be illegal in 49 states

First of Xylocaine isn't even on the banned substance list in any state by any agency, second I haven't even heard of Floyd using it since 2010 and lastly when he did use it he stopped a week or 2 before the fight.

Xylocaine is a powerful numbing agent if anything its more dangerous to
the person using it because they cant feel any pain and your libel to damage yourself way worse by not feeling what your doing to yourself. There is a reason we feel pain in the first place .

 

[HamAndEgger]

good post
the only thing is this: nobody cared about fairness when floyd was on the come up, taking every challenge, going up in weight, fighting at a disadvantage and etc. now its da other way around and ppl are trying to act like this lil nikka canelo deserves some leverage

To me, the only guy that was clearly bigger than him up until he fought Oscar was Diego Corrales. Every guy prior and after was around his size give or take. On top of that, Floyd was always the A-side of the coin and minus fighting Oscar he always had the bigger purse. Floyd's been used to being the headliner as far as being the A side and even from the very beginning he was being nurtured for that.

In the case of Canelo, now Floyd is the veteran who indeed does call the shots, but making Canelo come down to 147 isn't like anything any fighter has asked of Floyd his entire career (going down and going up in weight are two totally different things). The way I see it, I believe Floyd and his team know they can beat Canelo, but I think even they know the kid may be a little too big. But then when I look at the landscape of who he can fight, what B side makes him the most money and the biggest event?

then when you look at this

It doesn't help the cause of the fight being proposed by Floyd's team to be at 147.

 

[Black_Jesus]

good post
the only thing is this: nobody cared about fairness when floyd was on the come up, taking every challenge, going up in weight, fighting at a disadvantage and etc. now its da other way around and ppl are trying to act like this lil nikka canelo deserves some leverage

How is it the other way around??... what fighter told Floyd they wouldnt fight him unless he drops down 7lbs from a weight the fighter just competed and won decisively at?? When has this happened??

The nikka was offered 20 million to move up 7lbs and fight an over the hill Oscar avoiding prime Cotto and Margerito, but we supposed to sympathize this nikka making a $20mill+ payday

taking every challenge??

 

[InvictusAeternusEternus]

How is it the other way around??... what fighter told Floyd they wouldnt fight him unless he drops down 7lbs from a weight the fighter just competed and won decisively at?? When has this happened??

The nikka was offered 20 million to move up 7lbs and fight an over the hill Oscar avoiding prime Cotto and Margerito, but we supposed to sympathize this nikka making a $20mill+ payday

taking every challenge??

The Cotto fight didn't happen in 05 or 06 because he nor his handlers wanted it after what Floyd did to Arturo Gatti . Cotto was ringside looking shook.

I already put up the article multiple times that states why the Margarito nor Cotto fight aint happen in 07 before the Oscar fight.

 

[seemorecizzy]

How is it the other way around??... what fighter told Floyd they wouldnt fight him unless he drops down 7lbs from a weight the fighter just competed and won decisively at?? When has this happened??

The nikka was offered 20 million to move up 7lbs and fight an over the hill Oscar avoiding prime Cotto and Margerito, but we supposed to sympathize this nikka making a $20mill+ payday

taking every challenge??

well for example
when pacquaio fought de la hoya
hoya had to come down to 147
when oscar was the bigger star

when floyd wanted oscar at 147, he told him to fukk off

during those times, floyd woulda came down or came up (to 154) to fight anyone dat was a bigger star then him

all i'm saying is when your young,unproven, and trying to make a name for yourself, you shouldn't be making demands. sometimes u just gotta bite the bullet

look at broner. he coulda easily asked to fight paulie at a catch weight. but instead hes going all the way up to 147. then hes probably going back down again to fight other opponents, den probably go up again etc



and for the record, cotto didnt want no parts of floyd until after hatton
and even if he did, just like cheato, they were under top rank so it wouldnt of happened anyway

 

[SuikodenII]

41-year-old former WBO jr middleweight and middleweight champion Harry Simon, still unbeaten at 27-0 with 20 KOs, will fight for the IBF International light heavyweight title on July 27th against Hungarian Zoltan Kiss Jr (28-14-3, 12 KOs) at the Windhoek Country Club Resort and Casino in Windhoek, Namibia. Simon, a boxing icon in Namibia, lost his title and had his career derailed when an auto accident in 2002 left him badly injured and three tourists dead. He eventually spent two years in prison due to the incident for “culpable homicide.” Since 2002, Simon fought once in 2007, twice in 2010 and once in 2012. This will be his first bout in over a year. The card will be promoted by Kinda Boxing Promotion, a company managed by Kinda Nangolo.

Outta nowhere........

Former WBA cruiserweight champion Denis Lebedev’s right eye looked pretty much healed in an interview with NTV. The former champion had a lengthy stay in the hospital after suffering a huge hematoma around the eye in his brutal KO loss to Guillermo Jones. In the interview, Lebedev stated that he plans to replace his team and wants to return to the ring as the co-feature on the Wladimir Klitschko vs. Alexander Povetkin card slated for October 5 in Moscow. (Big thanks to Andre)

Blaming the team for not stopping it or.......

"I must return to the ring in September or October on HBO. I already began light training and in the near future, I am planning on moving in with my trainer, Freddie Roach, to start full training," stated welterweight contender Ruslan Provodnikov, who talked about his future plans after his impressive performance against WBO welterweight champion Timothy Bradley. Although he fell short of the victory, losing a razor-thin unanimous decision on the scorecards, Provodnikov's stock is soaring after the crowd-pleasing fight that nearly saw him stop the previously undefeated Bradley several times. It was the type of performance that will no doubt be rewarded in the future, which could happen a lot sooner than later if the rumors of his next opponent come to fruition.

"I know that there were conversations about a possible fight with Mike Alvarado for the WBO light welterweight title. I think that this fight will be of great interest," Provodnikov recently explained in an interview with Russian website gorodokboxing.com. While another title opportunity would be great, a fight with Alvarado would require the Russian slugger to move back down in weight to the 140-pound division. After coming so close to capturing a welterweight title, however, Provodnikov now has his eyes on a much bigger prize.

"I am ready to fight the best. I know that in the fight against Bradley, the world title was actually in my hands and I know now that I have come even closer to him [Floyd Mayweather]," Provodnikov continued, letting it be known that he would love to be the winner of the September 14 Mayweather Sweeptstakes. "I'm sure I'll fight with Floyd Mayweather in September or later; I'm willing to fight him. I do not like to make predictions, but I know that styles make fights and I think I can beat him. I know I will be a tough opponent for him, which he has not yet encountered. Mayweather has excellent technique, but I have big power in my hands. This will be the kind of fight that everyone loves to watch."

Alvarado/Provodnikov

 

[SuikodenII]

http://www.boxingscene.com/sabillo-defend-his-wbo-world-championship-july--66029

by Ronnie Nathanielsz

WBO minimumweight champion Merlito “Tiger” Sabillo will make the first defense of his title on July 6, possibly at the plush Solaire Resort and Casino in the Entertainment City along Manila Bay.

Sabillo is undefeated with a record of 21-0 with 11 knockouts and will face No. 6 ranked Jorle Estrada of Colombia in a voluntary defense.

The 24 year old Estrada who is five years younger than Sabillo has a record of 16-6 with 5 knockouts.

The hard-hitting Sabillo won the WBO Interim title with a stunning 8th round TKO over heavily favored Luis De La Rosa who was fighting before his hometown fans in Colombia but couldn’t handle the aggressive Filipino.

Sabillo was elevated to full champion after Moises Fuentes who was struggling to make the 105 pound limit relinquished the title and moved up to light flyweight where he failed to wrest the title from long-reigning champion Donnie “Ahas” Nietes who retained his title in a majority draw.

Fuentes wanted an immediate rematch but ALA Promotions president Michael Aldeguer said they couldn’t accede to the request because Nietes suffered a nasty cut above the eye in that title defense and it took some time to heal.

Fuentes has been guaranteed a mandatory rematch sometime in November following conversations between Aldeguer and Zanfer Promotions of Mexico, who wish to stage the title fight in Mexico.

However, Fuentes is scheduled to have a tune-up fight before then while Nietes will make a voluntary defense of his title in August although no deal has been finalized with his possible opponent as yet.

And in Strawweight news.......

 

[HamAndEgger]

well for example
when pacquaio fought de la hoya
hoya had to come down to 147
when oscar was the bigger star

when floyd wanted oscar at 147, he told him to fukk off

during those times, floyd woulda came down or came up (to 154) to fight anyone dat was a bigger star then him

all i'm saying is when your young,unproven, and trying to make a name for yourself, you shouldn't be making demands. sometimes u just gotta bite the bullet

look at broner. he coulda easily asked to fight paulie at a catch weight. but instead hes going all the way up to 147. then hes probably going back down again to fight other opponents, den probably go up again etc



and for the record, cotto didnt want no parts of floyd until after hatton
and even if he did, just like cheato, they were under top rank so it wouldnt of happened anyway

Oscar actually insisted the fight with Pacquiao be at 147 because Pacquiao's team initially said Oscar was too big. But Oscar knew it would be a big money fight and took the risk of dropping down in weight, to his demise of course.

As far as Cotto and Floyd, that fight could've still been made minus Margarito not taking Cotto out. Top Rank and Golden Boy were still doing business together until around 2011 with Pac vs Oscar, Pac vs Hatton, Juan Ma vs Rafael Marquez, Hopkins vs Pavlik, etc. I think with Floyd, after 2007 he waited on the sidelines to see who would come out on top at 147, and ironically it was Mosley after all in 2010, though Cotto beat him 3 years prior

 

[seemorecizzy]

Oscar actually insisted the fight with Pacquiao be at 147 because Pacquiao's team initially said Oscar was too big. But Oscar knew it would be a big money fight and took the risk of dropping down in weight, to his demise of course.

As far as Cotto and Floyd, that fight could've still been made minus Margarito not taking Cotto out. Top Rank and Golden Boy were still doing business together until around 2011 with Pac vs Oscar, Pac vs Hatton, Juan Ma vs Rafael Marquez, Hopkins vs Pavlik, etc. I think with Floyd, after 2007 he waited on the sidelines to see who would come out on top at 147, and ironically it was Mosley after all in 2010, though Cotto beat him 3 years prior

when you add floyd into the mix with arum i just don't see it happening
but who knows

 

[HamAndEgger]

when you add floyd into the mix with arum i just don't see it happening
but who knows

Between Golden Boy and Top Rank, I think there was still a "working" relationship on top of the fact that Golden Boy STILL gets a small % of Pacquiao's fights. I think one of the biggest flaws in the negotiations for that fight was making the details known to the public instead of trying to iron everything out and not blow it up to the circus it became. There's also a lot of relationships both Golden Boy and Top Rank exclusively had to where now it mirrors the model of Professional Wrestling and the UFC with fighters all fighting one another in one stable and the Promoter reaping the benefits.

 

[surv2syn]

P Williams update

http://www.aikenstandard.com/article/20130527/AIK0301/130529522

one of my favorite fighters.