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[patscorpio]

Ehhh I guess, to me it wasnt...Maybe cuz the 1st one was better N Alvarado boxing/running towards the end in 2 killed the drama of the fight N it ended so so....I forgot all bout that fight

but them nikkas went ham for 8-9 rounds though...mike had to adjust in the later rounds..if he didn't move he would've got caught again lol..that was the drama for me

 

[InvictusAeternusEternus]

I think even when Floyd fights and crushes Canelo they could still fight again depending on how well he recovers just based off him being only 22

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

When Cotto struggles to make the weight he looks sluggish and if you remember back in his 140 days he often looked uneasy on his feet when he got caught, then once he moved up to 147 he was fine.

In regards to the Pac fight it was jsut a combination of factors, he still hadnt fully recovered from the plaster hands fight (he raped Jennings and didnt look that great vs Clottey who kind of quit in the championship rounds in the fights after that), the weight, the trainer issues.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then because Cotto didn't look slugglish to me. Looked like the same ole plodding Cotto to me. He was just in there with a guy who was a stylistic nightmare for him. He prolly wouldn't have taken half the beaten he did if he would have boxed more but

I haven't seen any concrete proof that Margarito had loaded gloves in his fight with Cotto so I can't go off trivial speculations. I'll always give dude full credit for that win until otherwise. Tonio made Cotto burn himself out in that fight, withstood his shots, and broke him down for the stoppage. Reminded me of Corrales/Freitas in a sense.

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

its really not hypocrisy when you look at the fact that Canelo HAS NO NEGOTIATION POWER WHATSOEVER. To weigh in at 2 lbs under 154....when we know Floyd wont weigh in at no more than 150 is asking nothing of Canelo. Its doing him a damn favor, especially if this joker dont have a post-fight weight limit.

Me personally, I say damn the 2 pounds, let him come in at 154....because nikkas always got sum to say.

Direct Quote from Floyd: We choose Miguel Cotto because he's solid," Mayweather told Kellerman. "We want tough competition; he's one of the best fighters out there. I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter because he faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catch weight. He wasn't the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained. He wasn't hydrated

 

[HamAndEgger]

I think even when Floyd fights and crushes Canelo they could still fight again depending on how well he recovers just based off him being only 22

I think the next fight for Floyd in May (minus him getting beat by Canelo setting up a rematch) is probably the winner out of Garcia vs Matthysse.

 

[surv2syn]

HBO fell off the second mayweather & golden boy jumped shipped to showtime. have you seen their line up for upcoming fights? its sad all they got now is chavez jr & pacquaio as far as big names cuz nonito just got dethroned and martinez is looking like old dog shyt.

showtime has been putting on better boxing than HBO for quite some time now. they had HD first on their WCB. then word was HBO was contracting out their HD filming for boxing so at the time it is believed they didnt even own their own HD cameras.

HBO has always had the bigger names and they used this to dupe the public. they had some good fights but not compared to the fights that Showtime put on. Showtime wasnt in bed with any one promoter like HBO was with TR, GBP, Dibella, etc....

Showtime didnt sign fighters, they just purchased fights. Sometimes they lost out to HBO, sometimes they didnt. With HBO, the house fighter gets all the purse. Sometimes you would see a guy getting $3 mil and another guy getting $250k for a broadcast event....not PPV. Showtime was more even in negotiations...they offered a price and from that price you get the purses and site fee.

This is the reason why at the same time you were getting Cotto vs Urkal, Klitschko vs Austin, and Calzaghe vs Manfredo on HBO there was Marquez vs Vasquez on Showtime. This is the reason why the same time we were getting Wright vs Soliman or Mosley vs Cruz, Showtime was giving us Castillo vs Corrales.

trust me, I work within the mutimedia industry and HBO/TW's M/O is to spend as little as possible to get the most return which means the most profit. nothing wrong with that business model....you have to be built up to be successful doing it and you can sustain it for a long time. the problem is...eventually, competition will beat you out as they get stronger.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Ehhh I guess, to me it wasnt...Maybe cuz the 1st one was better N Alvarado boxing/running towards the end in 2 killed the drama of the fight N it ended so so....I forgot all bout that fight

This

That last 3 or 4 rounds stopped that fight from being a FOTY. I'll leave it at it was a very good fight. I actually enjoyed Froch/Kessler 2 a lil more to be honest.

 

[InvictusAeternusEternus]

Direct Quote from Floyd: We choose Miguel Cotto because he's solid," Mayweather told Kellerman. "We want tough competition; he's one of the best fighters out there. I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter because he faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catch weight. He wasn't the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained. He wasn't hydrated

Maybe he was just ... I don't know promoting his fight !

 

[InvictusAeternusEternus]

I think the next fight for Floyd in May (minus him getting beat by Canelo setting up a rematch) is probably the winner out of Garcia vs Matthysse.

I didn't mean an immediate rematch but the 5th or 6th fight of the contract.
Maybe even his 50th fight if he's still undefeated he can sit back and enjoy a bidding war and fight Saul or even if he ever can recover his "spark"

 

[patscorpio]

showtime has been putting on better boxing than HBO for quite some time now. they had HD first on their WCB. then word was HBO was contracting out their HD filming for boxing so at the time it is believed they didnt even own their own HD cameras.

HBO has always had the bigger names and they used this to dupe the public. they had some good fights but not compared to the fights that Showtime put on. Showtime wasnt in bed with any one promoter like HBO was with TR, GBP, Dibella, etc....

Showtime didnt sign fighters, they just purchased fights. Sometimes they lost out to HBO, sometimes they didnt. With HBO, the house fighter gets all the purse. Sometimes you would see a guy getting $3 mil and another guy getting $250k for a broadcast event....not PPV. Showtime was more even in negotiations...they offered a price and from that price you get the purses and site fee.

This is the reason why at the same time you were getting Cotto vs Urkal, Klitschko vs Austin, and Calzaghe vs Manfredo on HBO there was Marquez vs Vasquez on Showtime. This is the reason why the same time we were getting Wright vs Soliman or Mosley vs Cruz, Showtime was giving us Castillo vs Corrales.

true last year showtime really showed their ass with the fights they had last year...shyt if it wasn't for pac-marquez 4 on HBO...the FOTY would have been salido-lopez 2 on showtime no question

and wright vs soliman was the shyt breh ....soliman fukked winky up and made him abandon the high guard to try to knock him out...that was huge considering i found many of winky's fights a struggle to watch

 

[seemorecizzy]

Direct Quote from Floyd: We choose Miguel Cotto because he's solid," Mayweather told Kellerman. "We want tough competition; he's one of the best fighters out there. I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter because he faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catch weight. He wasn't the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained. He wasn't hydrated

canelo was 153 for his last fight
a 23 year old kid going down to 152 will not drain him or make him dehydrated
cotto was having trouble making 147
so yes, pacquaio making a 145 catchweight killed him
things need to put into context, everything is not black or white

 

[seemorecizzy]

We'll just have to agree to disagree then because Cotto didn't look slugglish to me. Looked like the same ole plodding Cotto to me. He was just in there with a guy who was a stylistic nightmare for him. He prolly wouldn't have taken half the beaten he did if he would have boxed more but

I haven't seen any concrete proof that Margarito had loaded gloves in his fight with Cotto so I can't go off trivial speculations. I'll always give dude full credit for that win until otherwise. Tonio made Cotto burn himself out in that fight, withstood his shots, and broke him down for the stoppage. Reminded me of Corrales/Freitas in a sense.

he broke him down with concreate in his fist bro
it isn't speculation at this point
its pretty much fact
giving him full credit despite all the evidence is just ignorant
its easy to burn someone out when you hitting em with bricks for 12 rounds
how it take cheato so long to get the tko when he had loaded gloves
pathetic

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

he broke him down with concreate in his fist bro
it isn't speculation at this point
its pretty much fact
giving him full credit despite all the evidence is just ignorant
its easy to burn someone out when you hitting em with bricks for 12 rounds
how it take cheato so long to get the tko when he had loaded gloves
pathetic

People just assumed that shyt since he was caught in the Mosely fight and that little bullshyt picture that could have been anything. That is not concrete fukking proof breh. That's speculation.

Cotto fought the wrong fight against Margarito period because he moved to much and burned too much energy. Cotto never had the greatest of stamina in the first place. In the rematch Cotto boxed in smaller circles and didn't expand the same amount of energy, granted Margarito wasn't the same then so his pressure fell off.

and as I've told nikkas before, you ain't gotta agree with me breh. I come to my conclusions with my own eyes and research not just because a bunch of others say it so it must be true type shyt.

 

[HamAndEgger]

I didn't mean an immediate rematch but the 5th or 6th fight of the contract.
Maybe even his 50th fight if he's still undefeated he can sit back and enjoy a bidding war and fight Saul or even if he ever can recover his "spark"

Crazy thing is...

Say by chance Floyd gets KO'd or loses clearly to Canelo. Floyd takes a little time off (he's not "obligated" to fight twice a year) to think about his next move. Pacquiao beats Rios, fights and beats the winner of Bradley vs Marquez.

Floyd's comeback fight in Fall 2014...Manny Pacquiao.

Crazier things have happened

 

[surv2syn]

I think the next fight for Floyd in May (minus him getting beat by Canelo setting up a rematch) is probably the winner out of Garcia vs Matthysse.

if Alexander did face Khan, it would likely be the winner of that. I dont think they go for any JWW's unless they would have fought at WW by the time. Only if Matthysse KOed Garcia could I see a fight with Floyd being made. I wouldnt pay money to see Floyd put a lopsided beating on Matthysse.