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[ba'al]

Taking test to prove you're clean has nothing to do with rest..

Norman fought last month. He pissed clean for that fight. Boxers resting after their fights to me isn't suspect but normal.

Some are enrolled in year round testing.

Most boxers aren't enrolled in the vada yearly testing.

And I'm not a Haney fan, but I think the sport needs to be cleaned up. Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong never pissed hot. And neither did Shane Mosley who admitted to using roids. Whenever a fighter doesn't want to be tested (ahem, Pac to fight Mayweather prior to 2015), those are red flags.

I agree with all this now if Bill was so against fighters using PEDS why work with and train Alycia Baumgardner who popped positive for PEDs? If you can work with her and she popped dirty I don't see why you can't work with Norman who hasn't to this point failed any drug tests.

Seem like Bill could be looking for a way out the fight to me. Or hopefully this is all promotion to get people to talk about this fight. If he's actually concerned with Brain Norman and suspects he on any performance enhancing drug why even make the fight?

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

well the 15 rounder kind of went sour after the death of Duk Koo Kim.

And networks pushed to get it shorter for their timeslots

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

Norman fought last month. He pissed clean for that fight. Boxers resting after their fights to me isn't suspect but normal.

Most boxers aren't enrolled in the vada yearly testing.

I agree with all this now if Bill was so against fighters using PEDS why work with and train Alycia Baumgardner who popped positive for PEDs? If you can work with her and she popped dirty I don't see why you can't work with Norman who hasn't to this point failed any drug tests.

Seem like Bill could be looking for a way out the fight to me. Or hopefully this is all promotion to get people to talk about this fight. If he's actually concerned with Brain Norman and suspects he on any performance enhancing drug why even make the fight?

and I agree about Baumgardner. Most guys give her a pass just cuz they want to fukk, but she's a cheater too. And they let her keep the win over Linadartou.

 

[ba'al]

and I agree with Baumgardner. Most guys give her a pass just cuz they want to fukk, but she's a cheater too. And they let her keep the win over Linadartou.

I hope the fight go through. The drama I'm not too concerned with honestly.

 

[patscorpio]

 

[patscorpio]

it should be november to be honest..so they can recover if they have to run it back

 

[Apollo Creed]

He talking that shyt

 

[patscorpio]

 

[⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐]

Norman Jr. seems like the new Errol Spence

Errol Spence and Paul Williams may be the most unsung tragedies in the sport this century. These men literally lost multi-million dollar futures and are going to live modest lives because of mistakes on the road

Hopefully they can get some podcast or commentary opportunities, a shame

It’d be like the NFL losing a whole contending team

Errol Spence had the most fanboys on here too, he was supposed to be the world beater version of Mayweather

The one that walks you down and beats you

Weren’t they calling him Terminator or something?

 

[OGBobbyJohnson]

 

[Apollo Creed]

Norman Jr. seems like the new Errol Spence

Errol Spence and Paul Williams may be the most unsung tragedies in the sport this century. These men literally lost multi-million dollar futures and are going to live modest lives because of mistakes on the road

Hopefully they can get some podcast or commentary opportunities, a shame

It’d be like the NFL losing a whole contending team

Errol Spence had the most fanboys on here too, he was supposed to be the world beater version of Mayweather

The one that walks you down and beats you

Weren’t they calling him Terminator or something?

nikka what

 

[OGBobbyJohnson]

 

[Knicksman20]

Oh so you just looking to argue just to argue.

Norman pissed clean for his last fight and said he would sign up for vada drug testing in august after vacation. Even in your analogy the person is at work not vacation. That's like your boss calling you in for work after he already approved your PTO. Norman's just fought last month. If Bill Haney legitimately suspected Norman Jr is a cheater Why even take the fight in the first place? Seems like Bill looking for a excuse for not going forward with the fight.

Boxer's taking time off to rest after a fight is nothing new. Rest is important.


Also Bill will talk about fighters using peds but trained Alycia Baumgardner at one point after she popped dirty for PEDS. He still did business with her why not Norman who never to this point popped for any drug test.

I'm not saying he's on PEDS because anyone can be & especially at the top level. But I don't know how I'd feel about VADA testing me while I'm on vacation with my fam. They can come test pretty much anytime during the early day or late evening & I don't know if I'd want to deal with that while on vacation after a fight & training camp

 

[blackestofpanthers]

Lights out

 

[Erratic415]

Yea I just don't think Floyd matches up well with any of the 4 kings. His best chance would be against Duran. But I think those guys were too big and mean at 147 for him. Sugar ray woulda been able to hurt Floyd like mosley did but he woulda been able to finish the job. Floyd never really fought many guys with his athleticism. And when he did he usually always got clipped(zab/Mosley). He also had issues with guys who could take his punches and press forward on him(Castillo/maidana). Floyd's 147 run was never that impressive to me.

I always wanted to see Floyd fight pwill, winky, and Vernon Forrest. I think all those guys woulda gave him hell. Winkys jab and size woulda been hard for Floyd to overcome.

I put Floyd in mythical matchups at 130-140 much more than 147 and above.

Against fighters like JCC, Whitaker, Duran, Pryor, Arguello, Camacho, etc…. Some fighters I can’t really compare (Ike Williams, Benny Leonard, Sandy Saddler at 130) due to the lack of video footage. Same thing with guys like Ezzard Charles & Archie Moore at 175.

Leonard and Hearns won their first titles at 147, Floyd won his fourth title at 147. Leonard from 1979-82 is better p4p, as that version of him is one of the best fighters ever captured on film.

I think Tommy Hearns knocks out Floyd pretty fast. Floyd never dealt with anyone either that height, power, and speed.
Why did he and Winky Wright never fight again?

Maybe, but Floyd might go into a defensive shell and drop a clear UD. Horrible matchup due to styles and size.

I don’t think there were any serious discussions of Winky and Floyd fighting other than some internet rumors. Too far apart in weight. By the time Winky left 154 to face Tito at 160, Floyd was about to fight for a title at 140.