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Ehhhh... Cotto my dude. but I'm still not sure I'd put him past Wilfred Benitez or Hector Camacho



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i agree with almost everything this post..but i cant cosign that carr was better than zab...cant do that breh lol..carr failed in all his title shots

cotto still has some time to surpass tito...provided he wins the right fights

he has to beat canelo, floyd, bradley, and ggg?
 

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I didn't even think about a cotto vs bradley fight:ohhh:
It will be interesting to see what he does. Just due to the round robin that is going on at HBO I guess that is possible. Cotto is hot as fire right now, with the right matchup he can get himself an equally big payday and a PPV matchup.
Personally I don't think Bradley gets him that. Hence why I think Mayweather and Canelo have to be the leaders. Mayweather could be a tougher fight to negotiate as Cotto has said he is very loyal to HBO, but HBO doesn't have any fighter that gets him that money/publicity. If DLH and TR are really serious about working together, than Canelo (if he beats Lara) is the most logical fight. Canelo has barely and sometimes not making his 154 limit. PPV worthy with 2 die hard fan bases.
Pacquaio is the third big seller...but that never happens IMO. Not due to a catch weight like some say, that could just be posturing because Roach definitely won't want to match his two best fighters against each other and have to pick a side to train/be in their corner.
Lara though...if he beats Canelo throws a big wrench...ain't no money in that fight and Cotto would be better off trying to track down a TR WW.
Cotto definitely made people rethink what a GGG fight would look like, but I have to bet that is at the bottom of his list. Cotto is the smallest MW in the division and to seek out the universal #2, hardest hitting, and right now a financially mediocre GGG...no reason to do it. I'm team #GGGoodBoys, but that fight doesn't make any sense for Cotto for awhile.


I'm not going to track down my post, but I remember thinking if Sergio's knee looked like shyt Cotto would be able to get Sergio. But if Sergio was healthy, he should get Cotto due to his size. I just didn't think Sergio after the Murray experience would come in looking like shy again. :snoop:
This time it may not have even mattered what condition his knees were in. Cotto put in work.

I think we were duped all around. Cotto-Martinez arguing about A side/B side...and how Cotto was promoted as the A side...yet Martinez had the bigger contract, walked out last and announced last - all things they said Cotto would get. I get that 24/7 probably can't reveal a fighters struggles going into the fight...but it sure made Sergio look much healthier going into the fight.
They just cashed some serious checks making this fight.
 

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We all know he got outboxed and made a fool of in that fight and got a gift. Tito was an average boxer with specially wrapped hands. Cotto is a better fighter hands down

we are going to have to agree to disagree on this. I thought Oscar won enough rounds, but he didnt deserve to win by running. He left it in the judges hands and it was his fault he lost. It wasnt a robbery. He felt Tito's power and didnt want to risk it. When you are in that ring...there is always a risk and its important to close the show.
As far as the wraps....yeah he got caught with too much gauze but he didnt get caught with plaster. Not the same thing. His power was unquestionable, and so was his resilience. Tito was most dangerous AFTER he had been hurt. Cotto definitely the better boxer but Tito just had the physicals. Tito at 147 wouldve stopped Cotto IMO. He was such a beast at that weight. Kinda like Corrales was at 130 but Tito was better skilled. He wasnt a poor boxer....just not a great one.
 

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u called it my nig...all the way down to Sergio needed a tune up. that wouldve told us and him a lot about what we needed to know. but as I said before this fight...I thought this would likely be his last win/lose/draw. not to take anything away from Cotto but Sergio is obviously at the end whether he knows it or not.
 

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props to Cotto...but he was fighting a man who's body is obviously shot. bad knees, bad shoulder, bad hands. its Cotto's best and most defining win but thats where it ends. he has 2 A-fighters on his resume but both were past prime. we actually missed part of Sergio's prime because he didnt get the big breaks early on. Tito beat PRIME Oscar. Basically stopped Reid's career before it got started good. Beat undefeated Vargas. Beat Joppy. Those wins were better than mostly anything Cotto did. Cotto's win over Serge is similar to Tito's win over Pernell....but I think the Pernell win was much better because he appeared to have more left than Sergio, he just didnt have a belt. Plus he was still hard to hit. Now throw in guys like Blocker, Carr (who was just as good if not better WW than Zab), Camacho, Campas, Mayorga.

Cotto's resume is solid however. Serge, Shane, Zab, Paulie, Margs, Clottey, old Mayorga...but it still pales in comparison to what Tito was able to do against prime opposition.
a lot of people dont think cotto beat shane and clottey. put an asterisk by those two names like you should and what do you have?

thats a difference between tito flat out destroying the fighters that he beat.
 
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