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The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
Seriously. That resurgence he had at his age was looking suspect
The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
If Barrera wins and gets to face SOG again
ChocolateGiddyUp
Superstar
For anybody doubting how dumb the casuals are...
CoWorker : is this Mayweather McGregor fight really gonna happen
Choc: yea looks like it
Coworker:
...what do you think??
Choc: Floyd will beat the shyt outta dude
Co worker: I don't know...McGregor got power N he's unpredictable... Floyd not use to that... Is it PPV $80?? Ima have to buy that one...I need to see Floyd lose
Choc:
CoWorker : is this Mayweather McGregor fight really gonna happen
Choc: yea looks like it
Coworker:
...what do you think?? Choc: Floyd will beat the shyt outta dude
Co worker: I don't know...McGregor got power N he's unpredictable... Floyd not use to that... Is it PPV $80?? Ima have to buy that one...I need to see Floyd lose
Choc:
The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
..........that "unpredictability" is said to look like sloppiness to experienced punditsFor anybody doubting how dumb the casuals are...
CoWorker : is this Mayweather McGregor fight really gonna happen
Choc: yea looks like it
Coworker:
Choc: Floyd will beat the shyt outta dude
Co worker: I don't know...McGregor got power N he's unpredictable... Floyd not use to that... Is it PPV $80?? Ima have to buy that one...I need to see Floyd lose
Choc:
"It's really not about the sympathy...just knowing that somebody needs that type of support...everybody can't bounce back off a loss...I just know how it feels to be on both sides...it's tough," stated multi-division former world champion Adrien broner, who shared his thoughts on negativity, losing supporters, and what Ronda Rousey may be going through. Check it out!
For anybody doubting how dumb the casuals are...
CoWorker : is this Mayweather McGregor fight really gonna happen
Choc: yea looks like it
Coworker:
Choc: Floyd will beat the shyt outta dude
Co worker: I don't know...McGregor got power N he's unpredictable... Floyd not use to that... Is it PPV $80?? Ima have to buy that one...I need to see Floyd lose
Choc:
RAU'SHEE WARREN DISCUSSES TITLE DEFENSE AGAINST ZHANAT ZHAKIYANOV: "I'M READY TO FIGHT...I WANT MORE TITLES"
By Percy Crawford | February 02, 2017
PC: How are you doing, Newt?
RW: I'm doing good, man. I'm ready to fight. I've been ready to fight since mid-January.
PC: How was camp for this first title defense against Zhanat Zhakiyanov?
RW: Ah man, camp going well, man. I couldn't ask for a better camp as far as coaches and sparring. The whole atmosphere, just getting that good energy going. Camp has been going well since I've been here.
PC: How are you keeping the anxiety down? I know you're ready to get in there. What do you do from now until fight time?
RW: I'm just sharpening up more on my craft and my skills and watching my opponent a little bit more and seeing what he relies on most. I'm working on a lot of things with Coach Barry and Boog. There are things that I see other fighters doing that he don't really be liking, so with my experience and my ability, I should make the fight easy. I'm not going to look down on a fighter like him because he is a straight-forward fighter and he's looking for the knockout, so I gotta be aware at all times. I don't care if it's from the 1st round all the way to the 12th round. I gotta be ready at all times with this guy. It's a lot of things that I'm doing in the gym to make it easier on me and I feel like I'm going to come out on top. Like I said, I'm in there with good sparring partners that are strong. I got a little black eye right now from my sparring partner. They even trying to knock me out. This training camp was so hard, I'm ready for it to be over so that I can make the fight easy, you feel me?
PC: Without a doubt. And you're coming off of back-to-back fights with Juan Carlos Payano. I'm sure it's a good feeling for you to be preparing for anyone not named Juan Carlos Payano?
RW: Yeah! I feel like by me having a title now, Coach Barry turned the training up a little bit more. It's a little bit harder than me trying to get the title and trying to win it from somebody else. Now that I'm defending it...it's going to be hard for somebody trying to take my title from me. I'm used to being #1 in the amateurs and going to the Olympics 3 times. It's way different now because one punch can change the fight. So I'm always aware and staying focused in the ring and listening to my corner. Once you have a good game plan and you and your corner on board together, shouldn't nothing go wrong.
PC: We see fighters fall in love with the natural gifts and talents and they get away from the fundamentals of the game. You are one of the most naturally gifted fighters I have seen in a long time, but you don't stray away from the fundamentals. How important is that?
RW: I feel like I still got more to do as a professional. I have 15 fights and a world title and there are a lot of fighters that it took them 25 fights to get a title. I happen to be one of the guys to get a title early into my career and I feel like I got more to do down the road. I want more titles that's out there. That's why I'm not turning down mandatory fights. I'm not giving up my title or vacating because I don't wanna fight this guy or that guy. I'm from the era where to be the best, you gotta fight the best. All of these people getting these titles and running with them and turning down certain fights and mandatories and stuff like that, come on, man. I'm not with that era. I believe in back in the day where one fighter got one title and went after all of the titles in the weight class and that's what I want to do. Once I get this mandatory out of the way, we gonna see who else want to get it on. I want to do title versus title. I want to do that. After I win your title, I want to find somebody else with a title. I want to do that. I want to fight other titleholders in my weight class, like the guy from Japan [Shinsuke Yamanaka] who got the WBC title. No telling when I'm going to meet him unless I go over there or we can work something out to make something happen. I'm from the era where I'm trying to get all of the titles. Right now, I gotta handle this mandatory on February 10th so I can go after everybody else.
PC: A lot of guys in the lower weight classes have the mentality of being on the fast track. You haven't had an easy run at all with the competition you've been in with. I'm sure those 3 Olympic Team experiences have to help you from a standpoint of competition or the moment not being too much for you.
RW: Yes, it definitely prepared me going to the Olympics 3 times. Also fighting in the World Series of Boxing in 2010, being an amateur fighting in a pro league. That definitely helped me a lot. When I was in the World Series of Boxing, we were fighting top dogs. We weren't fighting no bums. We were fighting 5 rounds, 8 oz gloves, no headgear, and under the pro rules. Everyone always came in and tried to beat me and they brought their best guy to try and beat me and I went 8-0 in that tournament. I felt like they was a big help for me to go professional. I got the feel of being a professional while still being an amateur. So when I was done in that league, I was ready to go pro, but I wanted to go back to the Olympics. So I had to put my mind back into the Olympics and actually prepare to do the touching and running stuff that they have going on. I was kind of ready to go pro, but I had to get the Olympic stuff out of the way. After that and I lost, I was ready to go pro and start my journey as a professional.
PC: I feel like one of the advantages that a guy like Zhanat could have heading into this fight is most of your pro fights were televised, so the footage is out there. On the flip side of that, there's not a lot out there on him. Have you been able to find footage of him?
RW: Yeah, I watched 30 seconds of him. I've been around the world and I done been in the ring with Rigondeaux; we fought in the amateurs. He beat me by like 3 points. I've been in the ring with a few people from Kazakhstan. When we used to do USA versus Kazakhstan, I never saw him on the national team or nothing like that, but I'm not going to overlook him, like I say. But I'm used to seeing people around the world who I have competed against. It only took me 30 seconds to watch him and that's what it was. I went from there and I just know what I gotta do. I gotta hit that angle and just keep turning him around because he's a robot and everything he does is to try and land that big shot. He don't work like Payano; all in my face, throwing a lot of punches and chasing me down. He just wanna walk me down and try to catch me slipping. I just gotta be ready at all times.
PC: You grew up in the ring as a professional in those two fights against Payano. What did you take away from those two fights that you feel you can implement in this fight if it goes into those deep waters?
RW: Not being more patient, but definitely using more of my jab. I got an effective jab. The first Payano fight, it was a just a straight brawl, just banging it out. I thought I won the fight, but I'm glad I got the rematch because I started boxing more and using my jab. And in this camp, that's what I've been working on is my jab because I got a nice jab. I'm changing the speed up, switching up my speed, and when I'm ready to drop the bomb, I can. I'm getting stronger. A lot of people don't think that I'm strong because I got 4 knockouts, but every opponent they put in front of me was either blocking the whole time because they didn't want to open up because of how fast I was or they didn't want to take that risk in the ring and try to trade with me. But probably half of the opponents that I have been in the ring with, I dropped; I just couldn't finish them. They felt the power; I just couldn't finish them. It's like they thought Payano was stronger than me and I took his best shot and I was trying to get him out of there. So from them two fights with Payano, I learned that my jab is everything and I got the speed to switch it up effectively.
PC: I appreciate the time. Best of luck on the 10th and I look forward to speaking with you more often. Is there anything else you want to add before I let you go?
RW: Be ready...and still...that's what you're going to hear after the fight; and still!
For anybody doubting how dumb the casuals are...
CoWorker : is this Mayweather McGregor fight really gonna happen
Choc: yea looks like it
Coworker:
Choc: Floyd will beat the shyt outta dude
Co worker: I don't know...McGregor got power N he's unpredictable... Floyd not use to that... Is it PPV $80?? Ima have to buy that one...I need to see Floyd lose
Choc:
so gotdamn stupid
..why couldn't there be a clear public backlash on this bullshyt when this first came about?
Axum Ezana
Driving in the fast lane
The only title picture messier and more wretched than the WBA heavyweight title [where Shannon Briggs will fight Fres Oquendo for the so-called WBA world championship] is the WBA cruiserweight disaster. The WBA continues to corruptly recognize Denis Lebedev as the super champion even though Lebedev lost his last fight to Murat Gassiev [the IBF correctly recognizes Gassiev]. The WBA also has a regular champion, Beibut Shumenov and an interim champion, Yunier Dorticos at cruiserweight, and they are supposed to fight each other but the fight can't seem to get done. Neither Shumenov or Dorticos have fought since May, and their fight now has hit another delay. Shumenov claims that Dorticos' promoter, Caribe Promotions, has defaulted on its rights to promote the fight, which sends things back to the drawing board [perhaps the WBA needs an interim interim champion due to all the inactivity].
According to Shumenov, Dorticos' promoter, Caribe Promotions, originally won a purse bid to promote Shumenov vs. Dorticos. The purse bid was held in November with a winning purse bid of $350,001, and WBA rules require a fight date within 90 days. Although rumored to be held in mid-February in either Miami or Las Vegas, Caribe's lack of progress in arranging the bout raised questions in January.
The WBA demanded that Caribe confirm the fight details and even granted Caribe additional time to respond, but Shumenov says Caribe failed to provide any confirmation. As a result, the WBA has reportedly awarded the promotional rights to the second-highest purse bidder, Tom Brown's TGB Promotions.
"I last fought May 21st and I have been in the gym since June because I was supposed to fight Lebedev in September," said a frustrated Shumenov. "But he backed out of the fight with me once again and I have been ready to fight since then. I signed a bout agreement to fight Dorticos on February 11th in Miami, but Dorticos and his promoter disappeared after I signed. They're full of it; all they do is talk. I can't wait to knock him out. I am waiting on my manager to call me right now to tell me the new fight date with TGB."
Caribe Promotions has been forced to also forfeit its $35,000 purse bid deposit with 10% going to the WBA and remainder ($31,500) distributed to Shumenov and Dorticos, respectively, on a 75-25 percent basis due to its failure to promote the fight.
Shumenov (17-2, 11 KOs), fighting out of Las Vegas by way of Kazakhstan, fought last May 21st, when he stopped 15-1-1 Junior Wright in Las Vegas fight for the vacant WBA regular cruiserweight title. The WBA had ruled that the Shumenov-Wright winner would be the mandatory challenger for its "Super" champion, Lebedev, within 90 days, however, it later allowed unified cruiserweight titlist Lebedev (against Shumenov's strong objections) to fight his International Boxing Federation (IBF) mandatory defense against challenger Murat Gassiev, effectively mandating an eliminator between Shumenov and Dorticos with that winner to fight the winner of Lebedev-Gassiev. Only days prior to the Lebedev-Gassiev title fight, Lebedev was inexplicably allowed to fight Gassiev without defending his WBA title, so only Lebedev's IBF belt was on the line. Gassiev (24-0) defeated Lebedev (29-3) by way of split decision in Moscow to become the IBF cruiserweight champion while [putridly] Lebedev remains the WBA cruiserweight super champion, at least for now.
Shumenov hopes the WBA will rule on Shumenov's objections to Lebedev's fight against Gassiev, Lebedev's status and whether Lebedev will remain champion having lost his last fight.
Dorticos has made disputed claims in the media that Shumenov, who had been waiting for the WBA to rule on his petitions to force Lebedev to fight him without further delay, had been avoiding him. It is ironic now that Dorticos' own promoter first sought to delay and has now defaulted on the long-awaited confrontation by failing to promote the Shumenov-Dorticos title fight within the WBA deadline. --Scott Shaffer
Axum Ezana
Driving in the fast lane
Atlas' top 10 P4P list
1. Vasyl Lomachenko
2. Terence Crawford
3. Andre Ward
4. Keith Thurman
5. Sergey Kovalev
6. Roman Gonzalez
7. Guillermo Rigondeaux
8. Canelo Alvarez
9. Manny Pacquiao
10. Errol Spence Jr.
Teddy Atlas: Why I left Gennady Golovkin off my pound-for-pound list
Putting together an honest and responsible top 10 pound-for-pound fighters list is not so easy. Of course, such lists are subjective, but even so you must try to use cold and fact-oriented criteria for nomination.
And even using strict calculus, in the end you will call on experience and even instinct to make a final analysis.
P4P rankings: Santa Cruz, Garcia get votes after great performances[/paste:font]
Leo Santa Cruz and Mikey Garcia produced exciting victories this past weekend, but was that enough to push them into the ESPN pound-for-pound rankings? Not into the Top 10.
Trying to figure out who is the best can be as difficult and controversial as judging a fight.
It is amazing how three people can watch a fight, yet see three different outcomes when it comes to scoring. Again, aside from the various opinions, trying to grade the best fighters comes down to five elements or categories:
1. Talent: Pure ability
2. Technique: How does he apply his talent?
3. Time and consistency: How long has he performed at this level?
4. Competition: How good is it?
5. Slippage: There's always someone breathing over your shoulder
I believe, relatively speaking, Golovkin is as physically strong and tough as anyone on that list. But I also believe there are others with better technique. I also believe he may be slipping. I understand he might have been sick when he looked very ordinary at times against Kell Brook. But sick or not, his technical flaws were evident. Also, his level of competition has been questionable or at least very advantageous for him.
My next statement will probably evoke more outrage against me and my judgments. I would pick Golovkin to beat Canelo Alvarez head-to-head right now.
But that is different -- GGG may be too big and too strong for Canelo, who is ranked eighth on my list. That doesn't mean that I have to include GGG on a short list that shows who has better abilities collectively and has displayed them against the better opposition.
Also, I feel Canelo has shown improvements lately while Golovkin has not. For those detractors who will ask about Errol Spence Jr.'s opponents, I would honestly answer that they may be right. But that is where I must use my experience and even instinct to tell me that Spence will perform at a higher level, as his abilities, technique and mental state project he will.
As I said earlier, if I could add honorable mentions, I would ask for two spots and include Golovkin and Mikey Garcia. But this is about the here and now. Although I fully understand the criticism of my top 10 list, I also know that being on a pound-for-pound list is subject to many variables, and hopefully I have been able to explain some of them.
Atlas: Why I left GGG off my pound-for-pound list
1. Vasyl Lomachenko
2. Terence Crawford
3. Andre Ward
4. Keith Thurman
5. Sergey Kovalev
6. Roman Gonzalez
7. Guillermo Rigondeaux
8. Canelo Alvarez
9. Manny Pacquiao
10. Errol Spence Jr.
Teddy Atlas: Why I left Gennady Golovkin off my pound-for-pound list
Putting together an honest and responsible top 10 pound-for-pound fighters list is not so easy. Of course, such lists are subjective, but even so you must try to use cold and fact-oriented criteria for nomination.
And even using strict calculus, in the end you will call on experience and even instinct to make a final analysis.
P4P rankings: Santa Cruz, Garcia get votes after great performances[/paste:font]
Leo Santa Cruz and Mikey Garcia produced exciting victories this past weekend, but was that enough to push them into the ESPN pound-for-pound rankings? Not into the Top 10.
Trying to figure out who is the best can be as difficult and controversial as judging a fight.
It is amazing how three people can watch a fight, yet see three different outcomes when it comes to scoring. Again, aside from the various opinions, trying to grade the best fighters comes down to five elements or categories:
1. Talent: Pure ability
2. Technique: How does he apply his talent?
3. Time and consistency: How long has he performed at this level?
4. Competition: How good is it?
5. Slippage: There's always someone breathing over your shoulder
I believe, relatively speaking, Golovkin is as physically strong and tough as anyone on that list. But I also believe there are others with better technique. I also believe he may be slipping. I understand he might have been sick when he looked very ordinary at times against Kell Brook. But sick or not, his technical flaws were evident. Also, his level of competition has been questionable or at least very advantageous for him.
My next statement will probably evoke more outrage against me and my judgments. I would pick Golovkin to beat Canelo Alvarez head-to-head right now.
But that is different -- GGG may be too big and too strong for Canelo, who is ranked eighth on my list. That doesn't mean that I have to include GGG on a short list that shows who has better abilities collectively and has displayed them against the better opposition.
Also, I feel Canelo has shown improvements lately while Golovkin has not. For those detractors who will ask about Errol Spence Jr.'s opponents, I would honestly answer that they may be right. But that is where I must use my experience and even instinct to tell me that Spence will perform at a higher level, as his abilities, technique and mental state project he will.
As I said earlier, if I could add honorable mentions, I would ask for two spots and include Golovkin and Mikey Garcia. But this is about the here and now. Although I fully understand the criticism of my top 10 list, I also know that being on a pound-for-pound list is subject to many variables, and hopefully I have been able to explain some of them.
Atlas: Why I left GGG off my pound-for-pound list
Black_Jesus
Superstar
so gotdamn stupid
Thats what Im saying
@TheLukieBaby 
Boxing club hosts anti-violence forum in honor of murdered girl
by Angela Ingram, WKRC
Wednesday, February 1st 2017
WALNUT HILLS (WKRC) - When a 9-year-old girl was murdered in her home, outrage could be heard throughout the community.
Neighbors were searching for ways to stop the violence. Wednesday night, February 1, a boxing club put on an anti-violence event in honor of little Alexandrea Thompson. Fists were flying at Oasis Elite Boxing Club, but it was a controlled environment not a violent street brawl. The gym was a safe haven for kids who sometimes see a lot of violence.
Trey McCarter is a student. His was making positive choices, but knew that there were negative influences on the street.
He said, "You go through a lot growing up. You go through peer pressure, hanging out with the wrong crowd of people. You ain't got a lot of support and your family. So you will turn to the streets."
Oasis was set up by boxer Adrien Broner and his partners. It's inside of Dohn Community High School. Just below it, the boxing club sponsored a "Punching for Peace community forum." Students learned how after school activities like boxing can offer a life off the streets.
Fernando Miller, an 18-year-old that attends the high school, said, "The boxing gym upstairs, that's explaining a whole lot. Put the guns down, pick up the gloves. So instead of you killing somebody, y'all can settle y'all anger inside the ring."
For the kids, the forum was crucial. Many of the young people dying from gun violence look like them.
"It's killings going on constantly, every day, every week, like it's just sad and I hate to see my friends on the news almost every day due to a killing," Fernando said.
The adults there were confident in the youth. They hope that the young people will stay safe whether it's through boxing or another positive outlet.
The sponsors of the event gave free tickets to Adrien Broner's next fight which is later in February 2017.
Boxing club hosts anti-violence forum in honor of murdered girl
Boxing club hosts anti-violence forum in honor of murdered girl
by Angela Ingram, WKRC
Wednesday, February 1st 2017
WALNUT HILLS (WKRC) - When a 9-year-old girl was murdered in her home, outrage could be heard throughout the community.
Neighbors were searching for ways to stop the violence. Wednesday night, February 1, a boxing club put on an anti-violence event in honor of little Alexandrea Thompson. Fists were flying at Oasis Elite Boxing Club, but it was a controlled environment not a violent street brawl. The gym was a safe haven for kids who sometimes see a lot of violence.
Trey McCarter is a student. His was making positive choices, but knew that there were negative influences on the street.
He said, "You go through a lot growing up. You go through peer pressure, hanging out with the wrong crowd of people. You ain't got a lot of support and your family. So you will turn to the streets."
Oasis was set up by boxer Adrien Broner and his partners. It's inside of Dohn Community High School. Just below it, the boxing club sponsored a "Punching for Peace community forum." Students learned how after school activities like boxing can offer a life off the streets.
Fernando Miller, an 18-year-old that attends the high school, said, "The boxing gym upstairs, that's explaining a whole lot. Put the guns down, pick up the gloves. So instead of you killing somebody, y'all can settle y'all anger inside the ring."
For the kids, the forum was crucial. Many of the young people dying from gun violence look like them.
"It's killings going on constantly, every day, every week, like it's just sad and I hate to see my friends on the news almost every day due to a killing," Fernando said.
The adults there were confident in the youth. They hope that the young people will stay safe whether it's through boxing or another positive outlet.
The sponsors of the event gave free tickets to Adrien Broner's next fight which is later in February 2017.
Boxing club hosts anti-violence forum in honor of murdered girl
#SOG_soldier
New York knicks and phoenix suns stan
That's true. If young femi is mentally tough he should beat wladI've said the same thing about Femi since he debuted..when he was bigger...but he's slimmed down a good deal and is still slimming...Bruno got more muscular as he got older...Wlad shouldn't talk..2 of his losses were because he gassed out