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Errol Spence: When I Beat Kell Brook - I'm The Top Dog at 147!
By Victor Salazar
New York - This past weekend the welterweight division and its path for clarity as to which fighter is the best in the division became a bit clearer when Keith Thurman (28-0, 22 KO’s) won a split decision against Danny Garcia (33-1, 19 KO’s) and unified the WBA and WBC world titles.
One man who figures to have a say in the future proceedings is Errol Spence Jr (21-0, 18 KO’s). Many feel he has a chance to be the best in the division and he will get his chance to prove his worth when he travels to England to take on Kell Brook (36-1, 25 KO’s) for the IBF welterweight in late May.
The bout will be televised by Showtime.
Spence strongly feels that a victory over Brook will make him the best fighter at 147-pounds.
“When I beat Kell Brook and do it in his hometown I’m the top dog,” Spence told BoxingScene.com. “Who has done that? Go into enemy territory and get a victory in his home kitchen, I think I’m the top dog. I’m taking more risk”
Spence feels the Brook fight was bound to happen even if Brook’s promoter Eddie Hearn is not too keen on the match.
“When the fight with Amir Khan fell through, he said he was going to fight me at 147,” explained the number 1 ranked IBF contender. “I figured he was coming down as he didn’t have options at 154. I respect him for that and think he’s not scared. I commend him for that.
Spence feels Brook is a really good fighter and showed it against Shawn Porter (26-2-1, 16 KO’s) when he defeated Porter en route to winning the IBF title.
“He showed he had a good jab and a good one-two,” stated Spence. "He was catching Shawn coming and he was strong enough to hold him. I think me and Shawn have different styles, I don’t jump in there and be left there to be hold. I don’t think he’ll be able to hold and if he does, I hope the referee intervenes.”
- See more at: Errol Spence: When I Beat Kell Brook - I'm The Top Dog at 147! - Boxing News
Im #TruthSeekers all day, but I disagree.....beating Kell Brook doesn't make you the #1 Welterweight. Beating Keith Thurman does at this point.
By Victor Salazar
New York - This past weekend the welterweight division and its path for clarity as to which fighter is the best in the division became a bit clearer when Keith Thurman (28-0, 22 KO’s) won a split decision against Danny Garcia (33-1, 19 KO’s) and unified the WBA and WBC world titles.
One man who figures to have a say in the future proceedings is Errol Spence Jr (21-0, 18 KO’s). Many feel he has a chance to be the best in the division and he will get his chance to prove his worth when he travels to England to take on Kell Brook (36-1, 25 KO’s) for the IBF welterweight in late May.
The bout will be televised by Showtime.
Spence strongly feels that a victory over Brook will make him the best fighter at 147-pounds.
“When I beat Kell Brook and do it in his hometown I’m the top dog,” Spence told BoxingScene.com. “Who has done that? Go into enemy territory and get a victory in his home kitchen, I think I’m the top dog. I’m taking more risk”
Spence feels the Brook fight was bound to happen even if Brook’s promoter Eddie Hearn is not too keen on the match.
“When the fight with Amir Khan fell through, he said he was going to fight me at 147,” explained the number 1 ranked IBF contender. “I figured he was coming down as he didn’t have options at 154. I respect him for that and think he’s not scared. I commend him for that.
Spence feels Brook is a really good fighter and showed it against Shawn Porter (26-2-1, 16 KO’s) when he defeated Porter en route to winning the IBF title.
“He showed he had a good jab and a good one-two,” stated Spence. "He was catching Shawn coming and he was strong enough to hold him. I think me and Shawn have different styles, I don’t jump in there and be left there to be hold. I don’t think he’ll be able to hold and if he does, I hope the referee intervenes.”
- See more at: Errol Spence: When I Beat Kell Brook - I'm The Top Dog at 147! - Boxing News
Im #TruthSeekers all day, but I disagree.....beating Kell Brook doesn't make you the #1 Welterweight. Beating Keith Thurman does at this point.
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Errol Spence: When I Beat Kell Brook - I'm The Top Dog at 147!
By Victor Salazar
New York - This past weekend the welterweight division and its path for clarity as to which fighter is the best in the division became a bit clearer when Keith Thurman (28-0, 22 KO’s) won a split decision against Danny Garcia (33-1, 19 KO’s) and unified the WBA and WBC world titles.
One man who figures to have a say in the future proceedings is Errol Spence Jr (21-0, 18 KO’s). Many feel he has a chance to be the best in the division and he will get his chance to prove his worth when he travels to England to take on Kell Brook (36-1, 25 KO’s) for the IBF welterweight in late May.
The bout will be televised by Showtime.
Spence strongly feels that a victory over Brook will make him the best fighter at 147-pounds.
“When I beat Kell Brook and do it in his hometown I’m the top dog,” Spence told BoxingScene.com. “Who has done that? Go into enemy territory and get a victory in his home kitchen, I think I’m the top dog. I’m taking more risk”
Spence feels the Brook fight was bound to happen even if Brook’s promoter Eddie Hearn is not too keen on the match.
“When the fight with Amir Khan fell through, he said he was going to fight me at 147,” explained the number 1 ranked IBF contender. “I figured he was coming down as he didn’t have options at 154. I respect him for that and think he’s not scared. I commend him for that.
Spence feels Brook is a really good fighter and showed it against Shawn Porter (26-2-1, 16 KO’s) when he defeated Porter en route to winning the IBF title.
“He showed he had a good jab and a good one-two,” stated Spence. "He was catching Shawn coming and he was strong enough to hold him. I think me and Shawn have different styles, I don’t jump in there and be left there to be hold. I don’t think he’ll be able to hold and if he does, I hope the referee intervenes.”
- See more at: Errol Spence: When I Beat Kell Brook - I'm The Top Dog at 147! - Boxing News
Im #TruthSeekers all day, but I disagree.....beating Kell Brook doesn't make you the #1 Welterweight. Beating Keith Thurman does at this point.
He'd probably be on the 2nd or more likely 3rd place in the division with the Brook win with Pac and Thurman being ahead of him
Errol Spence: When I Beat Kell Brook - I'm The Top Dog at 147!
By Victor Salazar
New York - This past weekend the welterweight division and its path for clarity as to which fighter is the best in the division became a bit clearer when Keith Thurman (28-0, 22 KO’s) won a split decision against Danny Garcia (33-1, 19 KO’s) and unified the WBA and WBC world titles.
One man who figures to have a say in the future proceedings is Errol Spence Jr (21-0, 18 KO’s). Many feel he has a chance to be the best in the division and he will get his chance to prove his worth when he travels to England to take on Kell Brook (36-1, 25 KO’s) for the IBF welterweight in late May.
The bout will be televised by Showtime.
Spence strongly feels that a victory over Brook will make him the best fighter at 147-pounds.
“When I beat Kell Brook and do it in his hometown I’m the top dog,” Spence told BoxingScene.com. “Who has done that? Go into enemy territory and get a victory in his home kitchen, I think I’m the top dog. I’m taking more risk”
Spence feels the Brook fight was bound to happen even if Brook’s promoter Eddie Hearn is not too keen on the match.
“When the fight with Amir Khan fell through, he said he was going to fight me at 147,” explained the number 1 ranked IBF contender. “I figured he was coming down as he didn’t have options at 154. I respect him for that and think he’s not scared. I commend him for that.
Spence feels Brook is a really good fighter and showed it against Shawn Porter (26-2-1, 16 KO’s) when he defeated Porter en route to winning the IBF title.
“He showed he had a good jab and a good one-two,” stated Spence. "He was catching Shawn coming and he was strong enough to hold him. I think me and Shawn have different styles, I don’t jump in there and be left there to be hold. I don’t think he’ll be able to hold and if he does, I hope the referee intervenes.”
- See more at: Errol Spence: When I Beat Kell Brook - I'm The Top Dog at 147! - Boxing News
Im #TruthSeekers all day, but I disagree.....beating Kell Brook doesn't make you the #1 Welterweight. Beating Keith Thurman does at this point.
agreed..either beating keith OR beating kell and pac
Historically speaking, the hungry fighter who fights out if necessity wins. Middle to higher class fighters with success are lesser than those from impoverished backgrounds.
Ali, and the Klitchsko brothers are rare exceptions compared the the vast majority. Just like a guy who started in his preteens fighting is usually better than a late bloomer.
I don't think it matters at all. Best fighter will always win....regardless of your upbringing.
Whoever has the best training coming up learning the sport and dedicates himself purely to the sport, as well as your god given natural abilities, wins.
That will never change. Doesn't matter if you from the slums or the hills.
If it mattered, Tyson himself wouldn't have lost to Lennox Lewis.
That fight is the worst analogy. Tyson was beyond lapsed at that point. Yes, there are many great fighters who were poor and had to satyr motivated to stay on top once the money and women and fame came.
But in the beginning the hungrier the are the ones that build the will and skill to make it. Plus, they are very low on options other than laborious work.
Once again, throughout the history of boxing, those on the low end of the financial ladder make the ATG list.
Azumah Nelson, Muhammad Ali, Amir Khan, Carl Froch, Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko, Marco Antonio Barrera, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr, Gene Tunney, Chris Eubank Jr, Vernon Forrest, Juan Manuel Marquz, Lennox Lewis, Juan Diaz, Nathan Cleverly, Wilfredo Vasquez Jr, James Toney, Sugar Ray Leonard, etc. None of them grew up starving, wondering where their next meal would come from, surviving on the streets hoping one day that will make and Boxing would be the vessel. Im sure it's PLENTY more through the vast history of Boxing, but it's "history" for a reason. It's hard to go through the background of every single Champion who ever boxed, but everyone on the ATG list weren't from the slums.
You keep saying "throughout the history of boxing", but let's talk MODERN era Boxing. The ATG list is littered with people who fought in the GOLDEN era, when life was totally different than the life we know today. There was a distinct difference between the poor (which I consider poor as living below poverty level) and those who lived above the poverty level.
Today, that thought that "the hungry fighter who fights out if necessity wins. Middle to higher class fighters with success are lesser than those from impoverished backgrounds" is false breh.
To further back that up........we JUST seen Jarrett Hurd KTFO Tony Harrison, who's from the streets of Detroit. Hurd was raised in the working middle class
Basically, I disagree.
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The axe murderer
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I tend to agree with you and Tyson and many people who feel like this but not necessarily to predict the winner. It has more to do with who rises to the top.
Obviously nothing is absolute and you have exceptions but in general, people who come from certain circumstances where they have no way out, are literally FIGHTING out of those circumstances.
You see it with football, basketball, baseball (in the DR), and especially boxing. It's a culture thing but it's a also an opportunity thing. The average person is not gonna want to get hit in the face their entire life if they have enough money to do something else, regardless of their love for boxing.
The film Champs does a good job of explaining this, it used to be on netflix.
Champs (2015) - IMDb
This was also a fire piece on Liberty City being a "hot bed" for football talent, despite resources and population...they are producing mad talent because these youngins are more mature than average, and living in bad areas, football is the golden ticket. This been true forever back to when Jews in the ghetto were playing and doing well with basketball. /rant
The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
Damn didn't know about TunneyAzumah Nelson, Muhammad Ali, Amir Khan, Carl Froch, Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko, Marco Antonio Barrera, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr, Gene Tunney, Chris Eubank Jr, Vernon Forrest, Juan Manuel Marquz, Lennox Lewis, Juan Diaz, Nathan Cleverly, Wilfredo Vasquez Jr, James Toney, Sugar Ray Leonard, etc. None of them grew up starving, wondering where their next meal would come from, surviving on the streets hoping one day that will make and Boxing would be the vessel. Im sure it's PLENTY more through the vast history of Boxing, but it's "history" for a reason. It's hard to go through the background of every single Champion who ever boxed, but everyone on the ATG list weren't from the slums.
You keep saying "throughout the history of boxing", but let's talk MODERN era Boxing. The ATG list is littered with people who fought in the GOLDEN era, when life was totally different than the life we know today. There was a distinct difference between the poor (which I consider poor as living below poverty level) and those who lived above the poverty level.
Today, that thought that "the hungry fighter who fights out if necessity wins. Middle to higher class fighters with success are lesser than those from impoverished backgrounds" is false breh.
To further back that up........we JUST seen Jarrett Hurd KTFO Tony Harrison, who's from the streets of Detroit. Hurd was raised in the working middle class
Basically, I disagree.
Just to boil it down to, "whoever came from least wins" is so false, it just doesn't make sense to me....no disrespect @morris
Anson Wainwright – Can you tell us how life was for you growing up in Province, Rhode Island and how that path took you into Boxing?
Demetrius Andrade – I lived in a good neighborhood and I was always close to my family so I wasn’t into boxing because I was on the streets and had nothing else to do. My dad brought me into the gym when I was 6 years old and I’ve wanted to box ever since. He’s the person that got me into boxing and he’s the one that got me to the top in the amateurs. I know that I’ll never forget where I came or my heritage and everyone that helped get me here.
Q & A with Demetrius “Boo Boo” Andrade - Boxing News - Boxing, UFC and MMA News, Fight Results, Schedule, Rankings, Videos and More
Just wanted to add that to the list as well
Apparently, Andrade will lose as soon as he faces someone who grew up in the hood..................................wait:khanhuh: he KOd Willie Nelson who's from the hood in Cleveland and was a good amateur himself coming up:
"I was always the tall, skinny kid," said Nelson, who grew up in Cleveland's St. Clair Avenue and East 71st Street neighborhood. "I remember watching the George Foreman-Evander Holyfield fight and it's what I wanted to do. I wouldn't say I was a natural. I had to work at it."
He convinced his family's mailman, Renard Safo, to take him to the West Side gym where Safo trained boxers. That began a long relationship that brought home two national Police Athletic League titles, a Silver Gloves and an under-19 championship.
But a start-and-stop professional career had too much down time to suit Nelson.
"I was discouraged," said Nelson. "I needed money to support my family. I wasn't getting fights. I was 6-3 and 140 pounds. Who wants to fight a guy that tall?"
See what it's like to box Cleveland's Willie Nelson as he prepares for Saturday's HBO fight against Luciano Leonel Cuello (video)
Im from 105 and St Clair (off Empire)....aint nothing but hood, despair, & poverty that fills the entire Glenville area (including St Clair, Superior, and 105 which connects St Clair to Superior) going all the way to Downtown and all the way up EC which is horrible as well.....................but Andrade beat the brakes off of him regardless
Maybe talent and training > just being poor:khanhuh:
Just because you're poor doesn't mean you have hands brehs
All this talk about being poor and making it from nothing gives you the edge in a Boxing match..............hopefully anyone that agrees with that also feels that Deontay Wilder beats Anthony Joshua, who grew up in better circumstances, because of it as well