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[HeruDat1]

Pac


I love the idea of fighting around the world but come on now breh mentioning Ali as if he didn't fight Frazier Foreman etc in those fights. They def gonna need to put this in the Philippines.

Jeff Horn

 

[Newzz]

"Ay Chris...you dun nika. Yeah, I accept your challenge. Get Adrien Broner on the phone & Im gon beat yo a$$"










AB...the go to promoter in 2017



#AboutBillions


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[Axum Ezana]

llike loma said in that interview all this pac vs this n that is just arum way to promote his stable. I believe that 100 percent.

if craw chin is like Trinidad(can be kd but get back up) then he could easily be a decent ppv guy or even better idk at the moment.

if guys always think that u can get koed at any moment and ur fights are roller coasters then u become exciting.....not people(casuals) just buying the ppv cause they wanna see u loose like Floyd imo.

craw team dream fights are mikey Garcia and danny Garcia...like I said probably because of of there rican/Mexican fanbase. but I don't think those fights happen soon enough before pac retires for real.

 

[Axum Ezana]

yeah im 100 percent sure bread reads this comment section @Jae told him about us I know.

 

[reservoirdogs]

yeah im 100 percent sure bread reads this comment section @Jae told him about us I know.

which article y'all talking about now? I don't get it

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

Ever since Crawfords fight against Postol there has been a narrative in this thread that Crawford somehow missed his opportunity to be a PPV star because of the way he fought Postol,I simply disagree with that notion for a variety of reasons. Craw does not have any of the ingredients to become a PPV star as of today.

Factor #1 is having a strong national/regional presence in a boxing market that matters ( ex Canelo & JCC Jr. in Mexico, Anthony Joshua in the UK,Cotto PR/NY) fact that Crawford is trying to establish a home base in Nebraska is a good thing but let's be reality,Omaha does not matter.Black american fighters usually struggle in this area regardless because we don't have a built in nationalistic base that craves boxing.Jamaican-American/Haitian-American aren't really large rabid boxing fan bases.The example of fighters i listed all have huge nationalistic/regional fan bases that will support their fighter with their wallet.He does not and it's not really his fault. Strike #1

Factor#2
Strong marketability. Whether it's because of your looks,being at the right place at the right time or your ability to talk shyt you need to give people a reason to spend money to watch you fight.The textbook example of this is Floyd Mayweather.Other examples include Oscar De La Hoya,Sugar Ray Leonard ,Mike Tyson and Conor Mcgregor/Adrien Broner as a current example. Floyd,Conor and Adrien are boxing/UFC villains based on the way they market themselves and that's how they are natrually.People will tune in just to see them lose.Oscar was the total package,he had the looks,he was Mexican-American,had the skills and was loved earlier on.That's why he was a superstar. TCraw does not have a naturally engaging personality and is ugly as fukk .Strike #2

Factor#3.A breakthrough performance(s) that make you explode onto the sports scene.An example of this include Manny Pacquaio taking out Marco Antonio Barrera. Before that fight Manny was looked at as an intriguing fighter but he wasn't a star by any means.After the fight Larry Merchant stated"This is a fight that will shake up the boxing world”.That's all that needs to be said. Manny went on to have classic fights with the remaining two of the Mexican trio(Morales,Marquez) and the rest is history.HBO is currently trying to do that with GGG but the difference is that Manny ran through legit legends,GGG out here knocking out WCW Thunder level jobbers (whether that's all his fault is up for debate.)UFC successfully followed this blueprint with Rousey. Other examples of iconic performances that made boxing superstars would be the classic Ali-Liston,Mayweather-Gatti,Mosley-De La Hoya and The Ward-Gatti trilogy.

The last factor is where I think TCraw could have his breakthrough.If TCraw somehow gets Manny into the ring and puts on an Iconic performance that'll be his best chance in becoming a huge star.It could be his Floyd-Gatti/Shane Mosley-ODH moment.If TCraw puts on a highly technical but dominant Postol-like performance then i would admit that he may have missed his moment. however the Postol fight in the grand scheme of things really does not matter.As of right now he doesn't have any of the pre-requisites that are needed to be a boxing star.However,there are a few current fighters I do believe can reach that status if the stars align and boxing gets it's shyt together.
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[patscorpio]

.If TCraw puts on a highly technical but dominant Postol-like performance then i would admit that he may have missed his moment.

this is what killed rigo when he beat donaire

other than that good post outside of the comment about t-craw lol

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

this is what killed rigo when he beat donaire

other than that good post outside of the comment about t-craw lol

Yeah it was a comment but in terms of marketability having looks or "swag " for lack of a better term matters.

Oscar De La Hoya used his looks along with all of the other qualities he possessed to become a superstar.

Countless boxers moniker themselves with the "pretty boy" nickname.

Floyd Mayweather and Adrien "brush my hair daddy" Broner push their flashy image to be marketable.

My nikka Craw looks like a dried up cricket
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As far as your Rigo comment no matter the outcome of that fight i don't believe he would've been a true star.He would no doubt be in a much better spot in the sport though.I believe his ceiling would've been the same as Lomachenko in that "aye that little nikka is dope " lane but casuals wasn't going to spend any type of money on him or Loma for that matter.

 

[Newzz]

Ever since Crawfords fight against Postol there has been a narrative in this thread that Crawford somehow missed his opportunity to be a PPV star because of the way he fought Postol,I simply disagree with that notion for a variety of reasons. Craw does not have any of the ingredients to become a PPV star as of today.​

I agree

Factor #1 is having a strong national/regional presence in a boxing market that matters ( ex Canelo & JCC Jr. in Mexico, Anthony Joshua in the UK,Cotto PR/NY) fact that Crawford is trying to establish a home base in Nebraska is a good thing but let's be reality,Omaha does not matter.Black american fighters usually struggle in this area regardless because we don't have a built in nationalistic base that craves boxing.Jamaican-American/Haitian-American aren't really large rabid boxing fan bases.The example of fighters i listed all have huge nationalistic/regional fan bases that will support their fighter with their wallet.He does not and it's not really his fault. Strike #1

True. We don't have a built in fanbase like other races do.

Factor#2
Strong marketability. Whether it's because of your looks,being at the right place at the right time or your ability to talk shyt you need to give people a reason to spend money to watch you fight.The textbook example of this is Floyd Mayweather.Other examples include Oscar De La Hoya,Sugar Ray Leonard ,Mike Tyson and Conor Mcgregor/Adrien Broner as a current example. Floyd,Conor and Adrien are boxing/UFC villains based on the way they market themselves and that's how they are natrually.People will tune in just to see them lose.Oscar was the total package,he had to looks,he was Mexican-American,had the skills and was loved earlier on.That's why he was a superstar. TCraw does not have a naturally engaging personality and is ugly as fukk .Strike #2

He needs to be more vocal period. Dude is backed by Bob Arum & HBO.....but has his fans complaining about his "promotion" and "marketing" as if he doesn't have access to the best of the best already


Who's AB's promoter?
Swift's? Thurman's?

Nobody. They get out here and make THEMSELVES hot....Crawford doesn't do anything but play the background. So he stays there in the casual fan's mind

.A breakthrough performance(s) that make you explode onto the sports scene.An example of this include Manny Pacquaio taking out Marco Antonio Barrera. Before that fight Manny was looked at as an intriguing fighter but he wasn't a star by any means.After the fight Larry Merchant stated"This is a fight that will shake up the boxing world”.That's all that needs to be said. Manny went on to have classic fights with the remaining two of the Mexican trio(Morales,Marquez) and the rest is history.HBO is currently trying to do that with GGG but the difference is that Manny ran through legit legends,GGG out here knocking out WCW Thunder level jobbers (whether that's all his is up for debate.)UFC successfully followed this blueprint with Rousey. Other examples of iconic performances that made boxing superstars would be the classic Ali-Liston,Mayweather-Gatti,Mosley-De La Hoya and The Ward-Gatti trilogy.

The last factor is where I think TCraw could have his breakthrough.If TCraw somehow gets Manny into the ring and puts on an Iconic performance that'll be his best chance in becoming a huge star.It could be his Floyd-Gatti/Shane Mosley-ODH moment.If TCraw puts on a highly technical but dominant Postol-like performance then i would admit that he may have missed his moment. however the Postol fight in the grand scheme of things really does not matter.As of right now he doesn't have any of the pre-requisites that are needed to be a boxing star.However,there are a few current fighters I do believe can reach that status if the stars align and boxing get it's shyt together.

If he destroys someone with a bigger name than his, then he will get that rub he's looking for. As of now, he has to be content with being The RING Champ, WBO/WBC Champ, P4P......and still be unknown to the casual fan, which is kind of what I was saying yesterday about him not being "The Man" to face at 140. It's AB, because he has the most eyes on him in the division

 

[Newzz]

Jeff Horn Confident He Can Beat Jessie Vargas, Wants Pacquiao

By Edward Chaykovsky

In an interview last month, strength and conditioning coach Justin Fortune, who works with WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao, said he was confident that rising welterweight contender Jeff Horn (16-0-1, 11KOs) would beat former world champion Jessie Vargas (27-2, 10KOs).

Back in September, Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum signed a deal with Duco Events to co-promote Horn.

Arum would like to build up Horn to the point of fighting Top Rank's superstar, Pacquiao. To properly build that fight, Arum would like to match Horn against one of Pacquaio's most recent opponents, Vargas or former two division champ Timothy Bradley.

Arum was ringside last month in Auckland, and watched Horn blow away former world champion Ali Funeka - with the fight taking place as the co-featured attraction to the Joseph Parker-Andy Ruiz heavyweight title fight.

Fortune believes Horn, in securing a win over Vargas, would prove his worth for a Pacquiao fight. He says Bradley, because of his fighting style, would be a tougher ask for Horn.

“I think Jeff Horn will beat Vargas,’’ said Fortune to Fox Sports. “If he can beat one of those guys he will prove that he deserves to be in the ring with Manny.

“Tim Bradley would be a tougher fight than Vargas. Bradley is very slick and calculating, Vargas is a good boxer but he doesn’t do anything special and he’s not what you’d call a great puncher either.’’

Horn agrees with Fortune and saw nothing special about Vargas after watching his decision loss to Pacquiao in November.

“I watched Pacquiao’s fight with Vargas and I thought Pacquiao easily outboxed him,” Horn said to Fox Sports. “Vargas is a very basic fighter. He’s tough but he doesn’t do anything special. He just stands right in front of you with a long jab and right hand. If I was fighting Pacquiao I would move a lot more than Vargas did and give Pacquiao different angles the same way he did to Vargas.”

“At the moment we’re training to be ready for anyone at any time. If we get the date to fight Vargas straight away we’ll be ready and if we get the chance to take a fight before that it’s even better.’’

But the true prize for Horn would the Pacquiao showdown. And he would love for the fight to take place in Brisbane’s Suncorp Stadium.

“To get a fight with Pacquiao would be a dream come true,’’ Horn said, “especially if it was at Suncorp. A couple of years ago it would have been like a dream just to meet Pacquiao but now to get the chance to take his world title is amazing. Things have certainly moved quickly for me in the last couple of years."

- See more at: Jeff Horn Confident He Can Beat Jessie Vargas, Wants Pacquiao - Boxing News




Toradol Terminator vs Jeff Horn coming soon

 

[Ol’Otis]

 

[Black_Jesus]

This mfer gonna put everyone in front of Pacquiao before Crawford probably Pac wants so too. shyt is getting ridiculous.

First Bradley 3 but that was justifiable then Jessie fukking Vargas and now Jeff Horn of all people? They even seriously thought about a Loma fight.

If he really doesn't want to put him anywhere near of Crawford then why the fukk he doesn't pick someone out of the Haymon stable supposedly that they can work together now?

A P4P top10 fighters is just one division south from Pacquiao and they gonna fight everyone and their moms before him

Here yall nikkas go

First How yall gonna justifying Pac fighting Bradley in a rubber match who had no belt..
Yet criticize Manny fighting a Top 10 welterweight WBO champion Jessie Vargas then knock a fight with the #2 ranked wbo welterweight Jeff Horn and act as if anyone is putting Terrance Crawford in front of them when its actually the other way around..

Crawford is not and was not in front of any of these dudes because Crawford IS NOT A. WELTERWEIGHT.. Pacquiao is a welterweight champion and has fought at welterweight for nearly a decade...

Crawford wants Pacquiao to fight him at 140.. A weight Pac hasn't fought at in nearly a decade.. And just to set the record straight, what was Pacquiao response? "Crawford at 140?? NO PROBLEM". And if they want Pac to drop down to a weight he hasn't fought at in nearly a decade then he wants to be paid his $20 million.. Nothing mindblowing about this since we know Pacquiao makes for even lesser fights...

If Crawford wants his shot at the Pacquiao, there is nothing stoppig him from getting into the 147 WBO mix and becoming mando.. Hell, he can ask the WBO to make him mando right now since he the WBO 140 champion similar to how the WBO made Canelo mando for Billy Saunders..

And what haymon fighter is even available for Pac to fight right now??

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

Who's AB's promoter?Swift's? Thurman's?

Nobody. They get out here and make THEMSELVES hot....Crawford doesn't do anything but play the background. So he stays there in the casual fan's mind


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AB, Danny and to a lesser extent Keith are all naturally more marketable than TCraw by far.With AB you can tell he's being authentic when he's cutting promo's after the fight.He's naturally an arrogant a$$hole and in boxing there is nothing wrong with that.He has one of the most engaging personalities in sports period and that is what separates him from the other 3.Thurman who does have a nice promo game isn't on the Level of AB.Danny's pops is excellent at drawing attention with his antics which keeps Danny's name hot.However ,Danny has another advantage of being Rican and hailing from a boxing hotbed in Philly. If Craw attempted to take the AB,Danny,Thurman route i don't believe it would come off as authentic which is why i believe the best way for him to achieve stardom would be factor #3,having an iconic performance.

Besides knocking off Manny the only other fight I can currently see launching TCraw into stardom would be to have classic fight(s) with Adrien Broner on some Barrera-Morales shyt in which they had legendary fights which ultimately led to a PPV that did relatively well.If they both were to fight Broner would indeed be the A side like you said,there shouldn't be any doubt about that.And this outcome(Craw-Broner) is unlikely because

1) Doesn't seem to be any indication that these two would want to fight

2) Bob and Haymon

3) Broner does not need TCraw,he's the money maker.He has other lucrative opportunities which include a possible fight with Manny that would absolutely be a bigger fight than TCraw vs Manny.Broner would be in the unique situation of being the A side in a fight in which he has more to gain legacy wise than the fighter he's facing.

Broner could fight a countless amount of Haymon fighters at 140 and make bank,who does Top Rank/Golden Boy have for Craw outside of Manny who clearly doesn't want that fade at the moment.




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[reservoirdogs]

Here yall nikkas go

First How yall gonna justifying Pac fighting Bradley in a rubber match who had no belt..
Yet criticize Manny fighting a Top 10 welterweight WBO champion Jessie Vargas then knock a fight with the #2 ranked wbo welterweight Jeff Horn and act as if anyone is putting Terrance Crawford in front of them when its actually the other way around..

Crawford is not and was not in front of any of these dudes because Crawford IS NOT A. WELTERWEIGHT.. Pacquiao is a welterweight champion and has fought at welterweight for nearly a decade...

Crawford wants Pacquiao to fight him at 140.. A weight Pac hasn't fought at in nearly a decade.. And just to set the record straight, what was Pacquiao response? "Crawford at 140?? NO PROBLEM". And if they want Pac to drop down to a weight he hasn't fought at in nearly a decade then he wants to be paid his $20 million.. Nothing mindblowing about this since we know Pacquiao makes for even lesser fights...

If Crawford wants his shot at the Pacquiao, there is nothing stoppig him from getting into the 147 WBO mix and becoming mando.. Hell, he can ask the WBO to make him mando right now since he the WBO 140 champion similar to how the WBO made Canelo mando for Billy Saunders..

And what haymon fighter is even available for Pac to fight right now??

Please...
You don't want to suggest that either Vargas or Jeff Horn touches Bradley's level, do you?
Rubber match or not Bradley at least is a class above Vargas and Horn.
Don't get lost in these ABC rankings now, we are both boxing fans we both know what's up and that whatever how Vargas was a champion and how ranked Horn is they aren't THAT nice...

Especially that for an Arum fighter to get a WBO belt eliminator or just a high raking on their list is as easy as for me cleaning out my room on an afternoon or buying a Coke in the liquor store...

 

[Jello Biafra]

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Sike.....Pacquiao vs Jeff "" Horn is next per Arum







Pacquiao’s next fight will be outside US – Arum 0
By JOSEF T. RAMOS, TMT on January 3, 2017 Sports

Philippine boxing icon Manny Pacquiao uses a skipping rope during a media call in Hong Kong on October 27, 2014. AFP PHOTO

Top Rank Promotion boss Bob Arum said that Manny Pacquiao’s next fight would be outside the United States either in April or May.

The veteran promoter added that the fight between Pacman and the unbeaten unified junior welterweight champion Terrence Crawford would probably happen late this year in the US.


“There’ll be no Pacquiao-Crawford fight in the first to six months of the year definitely,” Arum told The Manila Times via overseas call on Tuesday. “Only if the fight will be in the United States but we’re not planning the next fight in the United States so we’re also not planning on Crawford now.”

Arum explained that he’s eyeing a competitive fight outside the US because of Pacquiao’s status as a boxer.

“I think Manny Pacquiao is more than just a boxer because he is representing the Philippines,” he said. “It’s good for him to fight in places around the world same way Muhamad Ali fought so many fights outside of the United States.”

The 38-year-old Pacquiao (59-6-2 win-loss-draw record with 38 knockouts) won the World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight belt last December 5 in Las Vegas after beating Jessie Vargas via unanimous decision.

“Now that the New Year is over I’m going to finalize a location because we’re looking out an opponent depending on the locations like in Australia, England, Middle East or maybe even in Mexico. That’s what I want to do with the last period of Manny’s career, Arum said. “I want him to be known as a worldwide fighter.”

He named WBO No. 2 welterweight Jeff “The Hornet” Horn (16-0-1 record with 11 knockouts) of Australia as the likely first opponent of Pacquiao this year.

“Jeff Horn is a good possibility. I will be flying soon to the Philippines once I finalized every detail.”

Unified WBO and World Boxing Council (WBC) junior welterweight champion Crawford (30-0 record with 21 knock-outs) was also considered as Pacquiao’s next possible next foe after he scored a technical knockout victory over John Molina last December 10 in Nebraska.

“A possible Pacquiao fight against Ukrainian Vasyl Lomachenko could also happen late next year in the US if ever Lomachenko goes up to the welterweight class. He is presently weighing up at 135 pounds. He’ll be fighting in March,” Arum added.

Meanwhile, Pacquiao’s business manager and 1-Pacman Partylist Rep. Eric Pineda confirmed that Pacman and reigning Miss Universe Pia Wurtzbach were designated by the Department of Tourism (DOT) as Philippine Tourism Ambassadors.

“Manny is widely known in the whole world and he’s so proud to serve the nation as Tourism Ambassador. We pushed for that appointment,” Pineda told The Times in a phone interview. “Manny and Pia also have many followers. They are also part of DOT’s program.”

Asked if Pacquiao could use his position to bring his second fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. to the Philippines, Pineda said, “That’s very impossible to happen. Mayweather will not be fighting outside the United States or outside Las Vegas and I think he won’t agree with that.”



Pacquiao’s next fight will be outside US – Arum - The Manila Times Online











Beat by Floyd, then Bradley pt 3, then Vargas, and now Horn?



Opposition getting worse & worse after that L to Floyd

Arum is so obvious with this shyt. He only wants Manny/Crawford and until he gets Manny to agree to it he is going to try to match him up with mediocre comp.