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Gennady Golovkin training camp update • Boxing News
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Golovkin v Jacobs 24/7 debuts on HBO March 4
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Gennady Golovkin training camp update • Boxing News
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Golovkin v Jacobs 24/7 debuts on HBO March 4
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How can you use ring for ratings when Chocalito is ranked 1; and they have 2 japo cacs I never heard of to round out the top ten p4p, but fighters like swift are left of the top ten.......
Just looked rankings are more biased towards Haymon/Showtime fighters than ever......
Ring rankings are on fight night champion status, whoop somebody ass easy 5 years ago, take no losses in the mean time, yet they are still ranked higher p4p
I don't care about P4P rankings. Divisional rankings only.
P4P rankings are all hypothetical anyways.
They are both all fukked up, biased, and lightweight racist... dikkie
reservoirdogs
Superstar
I only use RING Magazine for their rankings.
No other publication/website is held in a higher esteem....even amongst the fighters themselves. As far as opinion goes, I don't really for care for anyone's opinions except those of us who post here, because we make sure you HAVE to answer for your failed predictions, thoughts, analysis. On twitter, those journalists will block you and run away to avoid owning up to their own false, pre-fight, opinions
Do you trust their rankings even though thry are rigged and are GBP puppets?
You think their rankings can be separated from anything else what's going on their site otherwise like it would be some safe space?
I think the only thing which keeps them relevant now is history... they are historically the biggest boxing magazine and their belt is also historical. Traditions like this diminish slower guess that's why fighters still value it not because it would be really the best/most neutral source. The GBP takeover is a recent event compared to the length of Ring's history so fighters and the public probably won't just say "fukk this" from one minute to the other it needs time.
If they keep their mess under the rug though not reflect on it and the majority of boxing media helps them with this they will stay "credible" though
GREENandYELLOW
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Dan Rafael chat wrap 2/10:
- McGregor would get embarrassed by a C level boxer, let alone Mayweather.
- If Mayweather vs. McGregor happens it will be the biggest fraud of a fight ever made. If you pay $100 for it (or whatever they ask) you are a moron. Don't complain about buying it after the fight.
- Matthysse will be on the Canelo vs. JCC undercard. Since he is coming off an injury and moving up in weight, don't expect it to be a tough opponent.
- If GGG beats Jacobs, his team is looking at fighting BJS in Kazakhstan on June 10, and Canelo in September.
- He isn't making up a GGG vs. BJS fight. Both sides are in discussions and trying to plan a unification fight. That doesn't mean it will officially happen.
- Money would not be an issue in a GGG vs. BJS fight in Kazakhstan. It would tie into the governments Expo 2017. Huge event.
- BJS is working on a step aside deal with his mandatory Khurtsidze in order to face GGG.
- No big fights currently at 168 for GGG to move up for. At 160 he has Jacobs, BJS unification, and Canelo.
- Believes GGG vs. Jacobs sells more PPV's than the Lemieux fight. Andy Lee will be on the free "PPV" fights.
- The GGG vs. Jacobs card is a good card, not great. The main event is excellent, the Chocolatito fight is legit, the Cuadras fight isn't very exciting.
- Has said since day 1, no matter what the guarantee for GGG to fight Canelo, it is not a serious offer until GB negotiates a percentage split.
- Tapia vs. Chocolatito at super flyweight? A really good fight, but Chocolatito.
- Olympian fighters tend to sign with Top Rank because they have a long history of developing fighters into stars or money makers. If you want the biggest signing bonus and the highest minimum purses, don't sign with TR. If you want to build a career through marketing, PR, and having someone invest into you, then TR is a great option and you can make more money in the long run.
- How does a promoter-fighter investment work? Not 100% sure, but wouldn't doubt there is: an initial bonus, monthly salary for a certain period, minimum purses, maybe another bonus for milestones. Someone like TR is likely into a fighter for roughly low seven figures before they ever come close to making a dime. If the prospect is a bust, they just eat that cost.
- Inoue should not be a priority for HBO. He is a junior bantamweight from Japan. What should be a priority is putting on good cards that aren't PPV's.
- Soon GB will announce the publicity tour and tickets sales for Canelo-JCC. They should be doing a 4-5 city tour (LA, NY, Mexico City, somewhere in Texas, and maybe one other city).
- The Riddikk Bowe who beat Holyfield for the title, in that frame of mind and physical shape, might beat any HW in history.
- If Rau'shee Warren wins tonight he should do with his career whatever makes him the most money. He is a 29 year old bantamweight with no major fan base. If doing a third fight with Payano is the most lucrative option he should do it.
- Easter is ready to take on the top fighters in the division.
- Thinks that both Easter and Garcia give each other problems. Best fight to be made at 135.
- Would love to see Mikey Garcia vs. Broner. Believes Garcia would do very well vs. Broner.
- Hoping that with Cotto vs. Kirkland cancelled, that Cotto makes a deal with JMM or Bradley.
- Kirkland says he fractured his nose, reason why the fight is off.
- Doesn't doubt that Hearn is trying to find the best fight for Brook while the deadline for a fight with Spence approaches. Brook vs. Cotto would be a good fight.
- Arum has said he prefers to have Crawford outside of Omaha (to develop more of a fan base), preferably NY. Hopes his next fight is vs. Felix Diaz, best opponent available.
- Not interested in seeing Crawford vs. Orozco. Thinks Crawford beats him easily.
- Shakur Stevenson vs. Conlan, who wins right now? Stevenson.
- TR plans on having Stevenson fight in the Newark and DC area (where he lives and trains).
- Ward is co-manager for Stevenson, what does that say about Roc Nation (or Andre Ward) as a promoter vs. Top Rank? No comment.
- Glad to see Shields on the Showtime card. There are people interested in watching her.
- Avanesyan vs. Peterson is a pretty interesting fight on paper. Good undercard fight.
- Hoping Gervonta Davis' next fight is in Baltimore.
- Mayweather vs. Tszyu in their primes? Mayweather.
- No news on Ward vs. Kovalev 2. In fact they are days away from the random drug testing date for a June fight (outlined in their contract). According to Main Events, Roc Nation is not responding to emails or calls.
- How long will Roc Nation remain a promoter? As long as they want to continue losing money.
- Lomachenko vs. Jason Sosa is signed.
- Joshua vs. Klitschko being compared to a Hopkins vs. Pavlik fight isn't a bad comparison. Whether the older fight can beat the younger talent is TBD, but Wlad can knock anyone out with one shot.
- Wlad stays in shape year round so he usually does an eight week camp. Four weeks of strength and conditioning and four weeks focusing on boxing.
- Tommy Morrison's son certainly has potential (big guy, power, and a top trainer - Roach), but the jury is out if he will develop.
- David Benavidez's team wants a top contender, but they haven't been able to lure anyone into the ring. He probably is 3-4 fights away from a title shot.
- Salido might end up fighting a small fight in Mexico in late April.
- Loves Toney vs. Jirov, but his favorite CW fight in Holyfield-Qawi 1.
- Doesn't believe Chad Dawson can make a serious comeback.
- Wilder fighting the Klitschko vs. Joshua winner this year isn't impossible, but wouldn't bet on it.
- Jeyvier Cintron may make his debut March 17 on the Conlan card.
- PBC's fight schedule on ESPN is supposed to resume in April.
- Will Canelo vs. JCC break one million PPV's? Not even close.
- Schaefer most likely will have a March 14 PBC card on FS1 in LA, with many of the kids he signed, including Carlos Balderas.
- Vinnie Paz for HOF? Love Vinnie Paz, but not a HOF'er.
- Gary Russell Jr.'s younger brother is supposed to make his debut on GRJ's undercard March 11.
- Believes Mendoza will eventually eliminate all the WBA belts down to one per division, but would like to see him pick up the pace.
- Spike currently has no more PBC cards scheduled.
- Predicting an easy night for Easter, probably not as easy for Warren.
- What is Easter like personally? He is a cool guy.
- Michel still has until Feb. 17 to finalize Beterbiev vs. Barrera.
- Ray Mercer vs. Bert Cooper was a sick fight.
- McGregor would get embarrassed by a C level boxer, let alone Mayweather.
- If Mayweather vs. McGregor happens it will be the biggest fraud of a fight ever made. If you pay $100 for it (or whatever they ask) you are a moron. Don't complain about buying it after the fight.
- Matthysse will be on the Canelo vs. JCC undercard. Since he is coming off an injury and moving up in weight, don't expect it to be a tough opponent.
- If GGG beats Jacobs, his team is looking at fighting BJS in Kazakhstan on June 10, and Canelo in September.
- He isn't making up a GGG vs. BJS fight. Both sides are in discussions and trying to plan a unification fight. That doesn't mean it will officially happen.
- Money would not be an issue in a GGG vs. BJS fight in Kazakhstan. It would tie into the governments Expo 2017. Huge event.
- BJS is working on a step aside deal with his mandatory Khurtsidze in order to face GGG.
- No big fights currently at 168 for GGG to move up for. At 160 he has Jacobs, BJS unification, and Canelo.
- Believes GGG vs. Jacobs sells more PPV's than the Lemieux fight. Andy Lee will be on the free "PPV" fights.
- The GGG vs. Jacobs card is a good card, not great. The main event is excellent, the Chocolatito fight is legit, the Cuadras fight isn't very exciting.
- Has said since day 1, no matter what the guarantee for GGG to fight Canelo, it is not a serious offer until GB negotiates a percentage split.
- Tapia vs. Chocolatito at super flyweight? A really good fight, but Chocolatito.
- Olympian fighters tend to sign with Top Rank because they have a long history of developing fighters into stars or money makers. If you want the biggest signing bonus and the highest minimum purses, don't sign with TR. If you want to build a career through marketing, PR, and having someone invest into you, then TR is a great option and you can make more money in the long run.
- How does a promoter-fighter investment work? Not 100% sure, but wouldn't doubt there is: an initial bonus, monthly salary for a certain period, minimum purses, maybe another bonus for milestones. Someone like TR is likely into a fighter for roughly low seven figures before they ever come close to making a dime. If the prospect is a bust, they just eat that cost.
- Inoue should not be a priority for HBO. He is a junior bantamweight from Japan. What should be a priority is putting on good cards that aren't PPV's.
- Soon GB will announce the publicity tour and tickets sales for Canelo-JCC. They should be doing a 4-5 city tour (LA, NY, Mexico City, somewhere in Texas, and maybe one other city).
- The Riddikk Bowe who beat Holyfield for the title, in that frame of mind and physical shape, might beat any HW in history.
- If Rau'shee Warren wins tonight he should do with his career whatever makes him the most money. He is a 29 year old bantamweight with no major fan base. If doing a third fight with Payano is the most lucrative option he should do it.
- Easter is ready to take on the top fighters in the division.
- Thinks that both Easter and Garcia give each other problems. Best fight to be made at 135.
- Would love to see Mikey Garcia vs. Broner. Believes Garcia would do very well vs. Broner.
- Hoping that with Cotto vs. Kirkland cancelled, that Cotto makes a deal with JMM or Bradley.
- Kirkland says he fractured his nose, reason why the fight is off.
- Doesn't doubt that Hearn is trying to find the best fight for Brook while the deadline for a fight with Spence approaches. Brook vs. Cotto would be a good fight.
- Arum has said he prefers to have Crawford outside of Omaha (to develop more of a fan base), preferably NY. Hopes his next fight is vs. Felix Diaz, best opponent available.
- Not interested in seeing Crawford vs. Orozco. Thinks Crawford beats him easily.
- Shakur Stevenson vs. Conlan, who wins right now? Stevenson.
- TR plans on having Stevenson fight in the Newark and DC area (where he lives and trains).
- Ward is co-manager for Stevenson, what does that say about Roc Nation (or Andre Ward) as a promoter vs. Top Rank? No comment.
- Glad to see Shields on the Showtime card. There are people interested in watching her.
- Avanesyan vs. Peterson is a pretty interesting fight on paper. Good undercard fight.
- Hoping Gervonta Davis' next fight is in Baltimore.
- Mayweather vs. Tszyu in their primes? Mayweather.
- No news on Ward vs. Kovalev 2. In fact they are days away from the random drug testing date for a June fight (outlined in their contract). According to Main Events, Roc Nation is not responding to emails or calls.
- How long will Roc Nation remain a promoter? As long as they want to continue losing money.
- Lomachenko vs. Jason Sosa is signed.
- Joshua vs. Klitschko being compared to a Hopkins vs. Pavlik fight isn't a bad comparison. Whether the older fight can beat the younger talent is TBD, but Wlad can knock anyone out with one shot.
- Wlad stays in shape year round so he usually does an eight week camp. Four weeks of strength and conditioning and four weeks focusing on boxing.
- Tommy Morrison's son certainly has potential (big guy, power, and a top trainer - Roach), but the jury is out if he will develop.
- David Benavidez's team wants a top contender, but they haven't been able to lure anyone into the ring. He probably is 3-4 fights away from a title shot.
- Salido might end up fighting a small fight in Mexico in late April.
- Loves Toney vs. Jirov, but his favorite CW fight in Holyfield-Qawi 1.
- Doesn't believe Chad Dawson can make a serious comeback.
- Wilder fighting the Klitschko vs. Joshua winner this year isn't impossible, but wouldn't bet on it.
- Jeyvier Cintron may make his debut March 17 on the Conlan card.
- PBC's fight schedule on ESPN is supposed to resume in April.
- Will Canelo vs. JCC break one million PPV's? Not even close.
- Schaefer most likely will have a March 14 PBC card on FS1 in LA, with many of the kids he signed, including Carlos Balderas.
- Vinnie Paz for HOF? Love Vinnie Paz, but not a HOF'er.
- Gary Russell Jr.'s younger brother is supposed to make his debut on GRJ's undercard March 11.
- Believes Mendoza will eventually eliminate all the WBA belts down to one per division, but would like to see him pick up the pace.
- Spike currently has no more PBC cards scheduled.
- Predicting an easy night for Easter, probably not as easy for Warren.
- What is Easter like personally? He is a cool guy.
- Michel still has until Feb. 17 to finalize Beterbiev vs. Barrera.
- Ray Mercer vs. Bert Cooper was a sick fight.
Do you trust their rankings even though thry are rigged and are GBP puppets?
You think their rankings can be separated from anything else what's going on their site otherwise like it would be some safe space?
I think the only thing which keeps them relevant now is history... they are historically the biggest boxing magazine and their belt is also historical. Traditions like this diminish slower guess that's why fighters still value it not because it would be really the best/most neutral source. The GBP takeover is a recent event compared to the length of Ring's history so fighters and the public probably won't just say "fukk this" from one minute to the other it needs time.
If they keep their mess under the rug though not reflect on it and the majority of boxing media helps them with this they will stay "credible" though
The fighters go by RING.....I'm going by RING.
reservoirdogs
Superstar
even if I just explained why they still go by it?
Will this cycle ever end like this?
but... you know...
even if I just explained why they still go by it?
Will this cycle ever end like this?
but... you know...
You said they are GBP rigged....how?
What GB fighter is ranked too high in their division by RING?
What PBC fighter is ranked too low in their division?
What TR fighter is ranked too low in their division?
What RNS or ME fighter is ranked too low in their division?
Explain how it is rigged by GBP?
reservoirdogs
Superstar
not many cause GBP doesn't even have that many relevant fighters
I love Canelo, one of my favs but he is still the MW champ in the opinion of Ring. Like... c'mon... how?
He fought his last fight in 154 and they rank him there too at #1and being GBP rigged not only means that they might favor GBP fighters in their rankings but also (more likely imo) that they (will) rank PBC fighters lower.
We're talking about a media outlet which has a contributor who told to a guy who is in a high position in GBP, the company which owns the magazine, that "they" need Fightnews and Boxingscene too to slander Haymon.
Even if you look at their rankings right now and you don't find huge injustice I think the things mentioned above makes it clear that they wouldn't be afraid to live with such tools cause they're looking at it like they would be at war with Haymon/PBC and you can expect some fukkery toward that side anytime and if it don't already affects their ratings it will... as long as they are under GBP.
And it's just an ethical decision for me... If a magazine proven to be a tool in the hand of a promotional company I will stop rely on them as a news or rating source cause that just doesn't work for me...
Before those mails I thought they might be biased but not actually conspiring against a promoter. You're journalists you're supposed to be neutral. We have too many journalist who openly stan or hate fighters, promoters or networks anyway...
ps: as for TR, RNS and etc... they are not conspiring against those companies so there's no possibility or low possibility that they intentionally rank them lower now or later.
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reservoirdogs
Superstar
Black_Jesus
Superstar
not many cause GBP doesn't even have that many relevant fighters
I love Canelo, one of my favs but he is still the MW champ in the opinion of Ring. Like... c'mon... how?
@Newzz
I think this is what its really about.. They in their feelings cause Canelo still holds the RING strap at middleweight and ia ranked above ggg who he "ducked"
.. That shyt got a lot of nikkas tight...The problem with their logic is there never was a rule that a fighter cant hold the RING belt in 1 division and fight in another.. We seen Floyd do it.. We seen Calzaghe do it.. just like we seen fighters get stripped by not figting a top 5 in the division they won the strap in after 2 years
The same rules applied to Canelo.. There's no conspiracy.. If you go down the rankings
it all seems pretty fair for the most part accept at welterweight Pac should still be ahead of all those guys in my honest opinion, but he officially retired at 1 point so whatever
I dont see any connection between the racist emails and the divisional rankings.. no evidence of an agenda looking at those rankings
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