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[surv2syn]

You dudes will see. He using his win as leverage. Who else is he going to fight for that type of money.

He isn't fighting Bradley
I very much doubt he faces
He will b hunt like he always do until he fights pac again.

yeah, he just talkin out his ass right now, if Arum puts a Pac fight back on the table, no way he will turn it down. He is just trying to use it as leverage like you say to get bigger purse and/or ppv split. Only other person he would realistically fight would be FM.

 

[Big Boss]

Trust me jmm is fighting pac for the 5 time.

yep money talks

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

marquez dont really want to fight pacquiao because he knows how he felt right before that ko. his body looked heavy and weak and he was getting lit up. the ko made it seem like a dominant win when it wasnt the proof was on his face. he doesnt want to go through all that again point blank.

 

[kbtwofour]

JMM is a free agent fighting on a fight to fight basis, Arum only went to JMM cause he had no other choice

As far as GB goes him and Golden Boy left on bad terms as he didnt want to fight Khan nor Canelo saying they were trying to use him as a stepping stone for the youngers fighters


If JMM was signed to Arum, you think he would be able to duck the 5th match and choose who he wants to fight,................nope, Arum fighters do what Arum wants

Some members on here know I have connections to GBP's management.

GBP and JMM parted ways because they knew the only way he was going to get a 3rd fight with Manny was to go let him go. GBP and JMM's camp are not on bad terms so don't believe the bullshyt.

People like you are criticizing Canelo for something he did not do. When did Canelo come out and demand a fight with JMM? Do you even know how the rumors came about? The reason why you heard Canelo possibly fighting JMM was because GBP knew the only offer they could come up with at the time was to have a possible fight between JMM and Canelo at a catch weight. JMM was a free agent at the time and he wanted a big money fight. The only fighter on GBP's roster that made would make him millions was a fight with Canelo. That's why you heard all the rumors and the back and forth between them two in the media. He was faced with the offer from Arum for a fight with Pacquiao or a possible fight with Canelo.

Top Rank CEO Bob Arum has informed four-division beltwinner Juan Manuel Marquez that the potential opponents for his next fight include Tim Bradley, Brandon Rios or a fifth bout with archrival Manny Pacquiao, with the clash taking place likely in September.

"I laid them out to Marquez. I said, 'You can fight Bradley, if Bradley beats Provodnikov. You can fight Brandon Rios, if Brandon Rios beats Alvarado. Or you can fight Manny Pacquiao again.' So he said, 'I understand that the money is different for me' (depending on which fight I take).

Does this sound like a free agent? Why is he asking a promoter was his options are if he is a free agent? Arum has his rights for the next fights even if he was not signed directly to Top Rank like the other fighters. He gave up the rights to his next two fights when he got the 3rd fight with Manny. Arum still holds the rights to his next fight.

I'll make this simple for you... I said Canelo would be fighting Trout as his next opponent after the Cotto vs. Trout fight.

Everyone is fighting for the September 16th date. Arum knows the only way HBO will give him the date is to have Manny fight JMM again for a fifth time.

Manny wanted to come back in April, but they would not let him. Arum plan was to have JMM fight Bradley and Manny to fight Rios then have Manny vs. JMM V in September to compete with Canelo vs. Floyd. His plan backfired when JMM did not want to fight in the spring and Manny was told he should take more time to recover.

 

[surv2syn]

I doubt it JMM seems like a stern man, he asked for 20 million if he aint getting it then its truly no point

JMM could make 8-10 million in Mexico fighting Bums, besides a big payday, there is no reason for this fight besides pacifying hurt Manny fans, on top of that he knows damn well he wins no decision, so it will be a uphill battle

remember the last time JMM and Nacho (Cheese) Beristain were stern and turned down Pacquiao offer for a rematch? ended up in Indonesia fighting Chris John. a fight that he lost.

 

[kbtwofour]

His leverage has wore thin, he asked for 20 million, and Arum told him to forget about Rios and accept match 5 or fukk off

JMM is not backing down on his price therefore money has to take a substantial pay cut to make that happen, the problem in this equation is JMM needs Manny fan base to make that money, so Manny who is definitely not itching to face JMM again wont budge, so thats barriers upon barriers. Like I said besides a potential 20 million there is no point in a 5th match. JMM could fight Morales/Barrera in Mexico for 10-15 mill, JMM has already showed he could sell out the coliseum in Mexico

You are just pulling numbers out of your ass. He will not be making 10-15 million fighting someone like Morales or Barrera. If that was the case then why didn't he do it before Morales lost to Garcia and before Barrera retired? He would only be making similar money in Mexico against someone like Manny. JMM is not even the most popular boxer in Mexico.

 

[Skip b]

You are just pulling numbers out of your ass. He will not be making 10-15 million fighting someone like Morales or Barrera. If that was the case then why didn't he do it before Morales lost to Garcia and before Barrera retired? He would only be making similar money in Mexico against someone like Manny. JMM is not even the most popular boxer in Mexico.

IN Mexico, and he sold out the stadium in his match before the 4th Manny fight, and while we talking about the 4th Manny fight, did you not hear JMM and Mexicans out pop Manny Pacquaio

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

marquez dont really want to fight pacquiao because he knows how he felt right before that ko. his body looked heavy and weak and he was getting lit up. the ko made it seem like a dominant win when it wasnt the proof was on his face. he doesnt want to go through all that again point blank.

Yea cuz JMM never been hurt or dropped by before

Marquez is at his best when hes in trouble...dropped Pac earlier in the fight then puts dude to sleep not to mention showed he knos how to outbox dude but JMM is scary??

 

[kbtwofour]

IN Mexico

I know what you said. I will say it again... you're just pulling numbers out of your ass. Look up the live gate, revenue, and ticket prices for the Chavez vs. Haugen in Estadio Azteca and tell me how you came up with the 10-15 million for JMM to fight two washed up fighters.

Edit: Him selling out the stadium doesn't mean shyt because even if he sells out the stadium the tickets prices are much cheaper compare to a cheap ticket price for a prize fight. Ticket prices would be cheap like $10 dollars a seat.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

not at all....he would be dead ass on Garcia. and if pops Garcia comes out there talkin smack, Broner might make quick work of his ass!


Garcia better be worried about Zab.

Broner fighting midgets N messicans built like snoop, his defense is not great at all N he stands in the pocket to trade....that shyt wont work against nikkas his size wit some power

Go re watch Garcia vs Khan.... Danny was throwing hellacious body shots Zab wants none of those problems

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

Yea cuz JMM never been hurt or dropped by before

Marquez is at his best when hes in trouble...dropped Pac earlier in the fight then puts dude to sleep not to mention showed he knos how to outbox dude but JMM is scary??

i was looking at his body and he looked heavy to me like his movement. pac was getting close to stopping marquez in a couple moments of that fight. marquez couldnt move out the way like he normally would. he was hitting marquez more than he ever did since rd 1 of 2004. marquez hadnt been touched like that since that round back in 04. tell me im lying

 

[Skip b]

I know what you said. I will say it again... you're just pulling numbers out of your ass. Look up the live gate, revenue, and ticket prices for the Chavez vs. Haugen in Estadio Azteca and tell me how you came up with the 10-15 million for JMM to fight two washed up fighters.

If you not FMJ what does gate have to with Purse and is Haugen a Legend like Barrera or Morales

 

[patscorpio]

remember the last time JMM and Nacho (Cheese) Beristain were stern and turned down Pacquiao offer for a rematch? ended up in Indonesia fighting Chris John. a fight that he lost.

jmm didn't lose that fight with chris john, he was jobbed

 

[Skip b]

Some members on here know I have connections to GBP's management.

GBP and JMM parted ways because they knew the only way he was going to get a 3rd fight with Manny was to go let him go. GBP and JMM's camp are not on bad terms so don't believe the bullshyt.

People like you are criticizing Canelo for something he did not do. When did Canelo come out and demand a fight with JMM? Do you even know how the rumors came about? The reason why you heard Canelo possibly fighting JMM was because GBP knew the only offer they could come up with at the time was to have a possible fight between JMM and Canelo at a catch weight. JMM was a free agent at the time and he wanted a big money fight. The only fighter on GBP's roster that made would make him millions was a fight with Canelo. That's why you heard all the rumors and the back and forth between them two in the media. He was faced with the offer from Arum for a fight with Pacquiao or a possible fight with Canelo.



Does this sound like a free agent? Why is he asking a promoter was his options are if he is a free agent? Arum has his rights for the next fights even if he was not signed directly to Top Rank like the other fighters. He gave up the rights to his next two fights when he got the 3rd fight with Manny. Arum still holds the rights to his next fight.

I'll make this simple for you... I said Canelo would be fighting Trout as his next opponent after the Cotto vs. Trout fight.

Everyone is fighting for the September 16th date. Arum knows the only way HBO will give him the date is to have Manny fight JMM again for a fifth time.

Manny wanted to come back in April, but they would not let him. Arum plan was to have JMM fight Bradley and Manny to fight Rios then have Manny vs. JMM V in September to compete with Canelo vs. Floyd. His plan backfired when JMM did not want to fight in the spring and Manny was told he should take more time to recover.

Would GB be trying to make a Canelo match if JMM was TR

 

[surv2syn]

jmm didn't lose that fight with chris john, he was jobbed

ok, officially lost. everybody gets robbed overseas. that part is irrelevant. the point is, wtf was he doing over there fighting for $30k in the first place? that was one of the stupidest business decisions in the history of boxing. he turned down a fight with Pac for peanuts and almost ended up committing career suicide. he was lucky Pac gave him another fight, because after beating Morales and Barerra he didnt have to.