shyt not many...froch-taylor, taylor-lacy, kessler-calzaghe, abe-miranda 2..off the top of my head
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King P
Legends Never Die
When has this fat fukk ever not eaten well?
King P
Legends Never Die
I think Thurman is getting the winner of the Fundora/Tszyu rematch
Knicksman20
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Knicksman20
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Either would be a good scrap
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<<TheStandard>>
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Floyd's 147 run is him out of his prime. That's the difference between him and the 4 kings. The 4 kings were just naturally bigger fighters.
Floyd's prime was at 130-140........and Floyd was honestly out of his prime after the Ricky Hatton fight. I think his 147 run was impressive in the sense that he went virtually untouched despite being an older fighter with hand problems who didn't move as well as he used to. It's less impressive in the sense that he wasn't exactly picking off people who truly had a chance of beating him and he picked the right times to beat them as well.
Still, Pacquiao, Canelo, Cotto, Mosley, Maidana, Marquez, Guerrero is a hall of fame resume.......and that doesn't even include his entire first half of his career before retirement.
((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL
Hussle & Motivate
Definitely. I think Floyd had lost a step or two by the time he got to 147. Turned into more of a pot shotter. Probably because of his hand problems.
The Pacquiao, cotto, and Mosley wins were very good even though they came far later than they should have. But the Guerrero fight was always trash to me. I always felt Guerrero was pure ass. Also the maidana fight was another fight that was supposed to be a cakewalk for Floyd. 8 to 1 favorite. Already got beat by khan and dominated by Devon Alexander. There weren't many people who expected this to be competitive, but Maidana came out like a bat outta hell and completely caught Floyd off guard. Decent wins but definitely underwhelming for a fighter of Floyd's caliber.
And with marquez I always put an asterisk next to that victory because floyd came in 2 lbs over the catch weight. Always thought that was grimy on floyd's part. Especially with marquez moving up two weight divisions. I always take some points away if a fighter blows weight.
I would rate the hatton win up there with his best. Ricky was a tough dude and he actually pressed up on Floyd and brought the dog out of him that we rarely seen at 147. That was definitely Floyd's best and most exciting performance at welterweight. Canelo. Pacquiao. Hatton. Delahoya. Cotto. I think are Floyd's top 5 wins above 140.
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Erratic415
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The left hook he landed on McCrory is one of the most beautiful punches I’ve ever seen thrown. Countering the jab with that short left hook, which should have ended the fight. He was done after the 1st KD. Virtuoso performance.
Unfortunately Curry was on the receiving end of another highlight reel left hook against the Bodysnatcher.
Curry-Starling 2 is one of the better technical chess matches you’ll see.
Curry sadly is in bad shape right now neurologically. In addition to everything that happened in his pro career, he is said to have had about 400 amateur bouts. I wonder how much that played into his quick decline as well.
Oh and his brother Bruce Curry’s bout against Monroe Brooks is one of the best junior welterweight fights ever.
At the time in 07’, I thought Paul was a style nightmare and I would favor him. Looking back, I would favor Floyd, but it would be a tough and ugly fight.
Paul was about half a foot or so taller and rangier than Floyd and would’ve outweighed him on fight night by about a dozen or pounds. He had a crazy workrate (imagine the amount of leather thrown from a Williams-Ouma matchup at 154), while Floyd was selective and accurate with his punches.
Unfortunately for Williams, his defense was bad. In order to avoid getting outworked by Paul’s workrate, Floyd would probably do a lot of clinching. He’d probably move laterally, time and come in with straight right hand, and then clinch to disrupt Paul’s rhythm. I think he would have done that often and well enough to win a decision in a competitive fight. Williams never really properly “fought tall”. Which was better for the fans though, since it made for entertaining bouts. Volume puncher with bad defense.
Mayweather (and Manny for that matter), was better below 147. People just lumped them in mythical matchups with other, larger ATGs who peaked at 147 or above. I like the mythical matchups more so with guys like Arguello, JCC, Whitaker, Duran, Pryor, Camacho Sr, etc….
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<<TheStandard>>
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Yeah the Guerrero fight was trash but I didn't mind it because Guerrero was coming off the big win against Berto and it was for the WBC and Ring Titles. It was also Floyd's first fight since he got out of jail. You can't fault a guy for fighting a soft touch who's also world champion after getting out prison. I guess he was interim champion since Floyd moved up in weight to fight Cotto and also because he went to jail but I'm not going to be mad at a guy taking a soft touch after a long layoff + prison.
You're definitely right about the Marquez fight. That was very foul.
I weigh the Mosley fight pretty heavily. That was the first fight I ever attended in person and Mosley was coming off that huge win against Margarito. Floyd got touched but then pitched a shutout the rest of the fight. I thought that was one of his best 147 performances. Floyd got hit too much against Cotto IMO which is why he got rid of Roger and went back to his father for all future fights. Also I wasn't that impressed with the Cotto fight after seeing how Pacquiao dismantled him. I did not think Pacquiao was going to destroy Cotto in that manner.
I think Floyd's career is strange in many ways. He's one of the only athletes I've ever seen become a household name and megastar AFTER their prime was over. It's almost like if we imagine a world where the first half of Jordan's career along with the first 3-peat took place when the NBA was only on tape delay and the second half of his career where he was slower, more crafty, added a fadeaway and had his 2nd 3-peat was the only thing people most people saw and remembered. That's Floyd and I'm not sure we've ever seen that from any other athlete.
Clearly Floyd was more so in get and protect the bag mode the 2nd half of his career but the first half of his career, he was such a bad muthafukka and he was avoided. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Floyd could have gotten that Mosley fight back in 07 as opposed to 2010.
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Another reynoso fighter pops dirty...that's like 7
Rico Ramos was struggle but dude had a one hitter quitter on him that bailed him out
