Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.

[UpAndComing]

the thing is as time goes by people will remember the stat padding accomplishments and the nuance vanishes.

Its like the PBC 147 Era and 140 run, Did Bud beat a Mid generation or was he that great (The Canelo win you can say shut down any naysayer).

Devin beat the weakest unified champ in history damn near lol, Loma fight I felt he won but was close as fukk but was Loma washed? all the other people pre undisputed were washed, Regis is seen as ass but that wasn't the case around the Josh Taylor fight, Ryan Garcia has been considered a Wilder type fighter in that he is ass but has an equalizer.

- Breidis Prescott
- Gamboa
- Victor Postol
- Thomas Dulorme
- Mean Machine
- Kell Brook
- Shawn Porter
- Errol Spence
- Madrimov
- Canelo

Bud's resume stacks up against alot of people currently in the Hall of fame. Bud has the resume and the accolades. Bad example

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Beautiful. Bam is one of my favorite young fighters. I think a fight with him and Inoue would be a great fight to make although I would favor Inoue 60-40.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Max Kellerman weighs in to talk about Devin Haney

In a way I understand what he's saying. I mean Haney deserves to be ranked number 1. He's accomplished more than all of his peers. But I still wouldn't call him great. That's if the bar of greatness is where it should be. Crawford. Usyk. Leonard. Hearns. Hagler. Floyd. Hopkins. Duran.

Haney isn't anywhere close to these guys. Haney vs bud at 147 would be a massacre. I think Haney is a very good fighter but I don't think he's really shown true greatness yet. His best win is an over the hill lomachenko which could have went either way. And Loma at that time was only very good himself. I need to see him vs Shakur. Tank. Maybe boots eventually. Then we will finally see where he measures up.

But so far he still looks very beatable to me. He's obviously got a lot of talent, but he still fights in spurts. Still looks very vulnerable defensively. Still gets gunshy when he gets clipped. I think Shakur would beat him pretty decisively. Just off the eye test. And still think tank knocks him out. The way Haney keeps that chin in the air and moves back in a straight line is gonna come back to bite him in the ass again.

 

[Apollo Creed]

- Breidis Prescott
- Gamboa
- Victor Postol
- Thomas Dulorme
- Mean Machine
- Kell Brook
- Shawn Porter
- Errol Spence
- Madrimov
- Canelo

Bud's resume stacks up against alot of people currently in the Hall of fame. Bud has the resume and the accolades. Bad example

My point is up until Canelo people were debating all those folks were washed or never that great. All of this was essentially part of the motivation for Bud to take the Canelo fight so nobody can question the resume anymore.

 

[Apollo Creed]

In a way I understand what he's saying. I mean Haney deserves to be ranked number 1. He's accomplished more than all of his peers. But I still wouldn't call him great. That's if the bar of greatness is where it should be. Crawford. Usyk. Leonard. Hearns. Hagler. Floyd. Hopkins. Duran.

Haney isn't anywhere close to these guys. Haney vs bud at 147 would be a massacre. I think Haney is a very good fighter but I don't think he's really shown true greatness yet. His best win is an over the hill lomachenko which could have went either way. And Loma at that time was only very good himself. I need to see him vs Shakur. Tank. Maybe boots eventually. Then we will finally see where he measures up.

But so far he still looks very beatable to me. He's obviously got a lot of talent, but he still fights in spurts. Still looks very vulnerable defensively. Still gets gunshy when he gets clipped. I think Shakur would beat him pretty decisively. Just off the eye test. And still think tank knocks him out. The way Haney keeps that chin in the air and moves back in a straight line is gonna come back to bite him in the ass again.

I think the time has passed for a Shakur fight unless Shakur "chases greatness" and goes to 147 which could be a think if he is serious about Conner Benn

 

[UpAndComing]

My point is up until Canelo people CASUALS were debating all those folks were washed or never that great. All of this was essentially part of the motivation for Bud to take the Canelo fight so nobody can question the resume anymore.

Fixed. And who cares what they think. Thanks for helping in ticket sales and PPV revenue, but that's where it stops. We need to stop caring what casuals think when it comes to Legacy. In their mind, if you are not interviewed on 105.1 The Breakfast Club or ThisIs50.com you are "nobody"

 

[Apollo Creed]

Fixed. And who cares what they think. Thanks for helping in ticket sales and PPV revenue, but that's where it stops. We need to stop caring what casuals think when it comes to Legacy. In their mind, if you are not interviewed on 105.1 The Breakfast Club or ThisIs50.com you are "nobody"

there is no boxing without casuals, this isn't a state sanctioned sport.

If Haney vs Norman wasn't on this ring card you can argue nobody would be talking about it like they did and thats because of Casuals IMO.

 

[theflyest]

In a way I understand what he's saying. I mean Haney deserves to be ranked number 1. He's accomplished more than all of his peers. But I still wouldn't call him great. That's if the bar of greatness is where it should be. Crawford. Usyk. Leonard. Hearns. Hagler. Floyd. Hopkins. Duran.

Haney isn't anywhere close to these guys. Haney vs bud at 147 would be a massacre. I think Haney is a very good fighter but I don't think he's really shown true greatness yet. His best win is an over the hill lomachenko which could have went either way. And Loma at that time was only very good himself. I need to see him vs Shakur. Tank. Maybe boots eventually. Then we will finally see where he measures up.

But so far he still looks very beatable to me. He's obviously got a lot of talent, but he still fights in spurts. Still looks very vulnerable defensively. Still gets gunshy when he gets clipped. I think Shakur would beat him pretty decisively. Just off the eye test. And still think tank knocks him out. The way Haney keeps that chin in the air and moves back in a straight line is gonna come back to bite him in the ass again.

You bring up an interesting point on the eye test.

Every single fighter you named have had moments where they came to the ring as the best version of themselves, and looked damn near unbeatable.

Never seen that from Haney.

 

[Apollo Creed]

You bring up an interesting point on the eye test.

Every single fighter you named have had moments where they came to the ring as the best version of themselves, and looked damn near unbeatable.

Never seen that from Haney.

Regis fight lol but dude still young if we being real and has done a ton

 

[UpAndComing]

 

[Derek Lee]

Rolly about to unify 147

 

[Apollo Creed]

Rolly about to unify 147

Its wild how weak 147 is lol

Devin vs Ryan if it goes as the business wants bout to be for 4 belts (incl Ring) and then winner can undispute going after the IBF

 

[TheNig]

Its wild how weak 147 is lol

Devin vs Ryan if it goes as the business wants bout to be for 4 belts (incl Ring) and then winner can undispute going after the IBF

I don't think it's so that weak. I think it's competitive.

And I don't think Garcia wins out. For as much shyt as people like to give Barrios, he'll give anybody a tough and ugly fight that will likely end in some weird ass decision that no one expected.

Romero is the one that I think could get smoked. Cuh had one fight where he showed some boxing IQ against a guy who isn't a very good boxer himself. If anyone could slip up at 147, it would be him.

 

[patscorpio]

 

[patscorpio]

thats crazy someone pops for ostarine at WELL BELOW that legal limit..i didnt even think it was possible,..ryan garcia was 60 times that amount lol