Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.

[patscorpio]

It really doesn't matter like Pat said. Punch resistance is probably kaput and he's never had good footwork. Those lighter HWs would dance circles around him while boxing his ears into his brain.

LB was agreeing with what i said

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

He typically fought in the 260s

Yeah, but surely we can agree that at least 50 pounds of that is glycogen? Aka's he's not all that well conditioned or has the appropriate metabolism for sport. Plain and simple, I don't think he had a good weight to size ratio, in other words, he's not remarkably heavy boned, whereas Ruiz, or even Benavidez for example, they're naturally heavy ass dudes, aka heavy bones.

Kowstruggleski always struck me as both slow in a reactive sense, but also rubbish as far as balance, round to round output etc.

I do agree re going down in weight isn't always the answer, I'm 6'2'' and when strong and conditioned for amateur competition, I sat at around 185 in my mid thirties (whole other story as a younger man). At mid thirties I could get down to 175 for competitions, but one winter I got it in my mind that getting down to 165 would make me invincible. It didn't, and I was outsmarted by a more nimble, counter puncher, irrespective of my wanna be Spence/Paul Williams ambitions.

 

[TheNig]

LB was agreeing with what i said

I was reiterating LB's point. I fully agree with him.

There's nothing he can do to restart his career.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

He's always been a blob and I think we all thought that regardless how hard he punches, that his conditioning was going to catch up with him.

Not saying that he shoulda looked like a Greek God but it was obvious he didn't take care of himself.

This sums it up really, he never had the fundamentals, technique or application to hang at the top pro ranks, at that weight.

If he'd applied himself more aka been fitter, or had a coach that had taught him how to do the sport better, then maybe it's a different conversation.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Andy Ruiz being a blob, and still have the stamina, and chin, to go a full 12 rounds is a literal anomaly

This is a good point.

Ruiz has great fundamentals, and an incredible hook, not to mention a granite chin and very good guard.

In other words, real boxers are always real boxers, that's why its called boxing.

 

[TheNig]

This sums it up really, he never had the fundamentals, technique or application to hang at the top pro ranks, at that weight.

If he'd applied himself more aka been fitter, or had a coach that had taught him how to do the sport better, then maybe it's a different conversation.

I kinda disagree. He has the basic fundamentals. He can jab. He knows how to set up his power. The problem is his lack of discipline and not being very athletic. And not having either of those contributes to poor conditioning and shytty footwork.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

I kinda disagree. He has the basic fundamentals. He can jab. He knows how to set up his piwery. The problem is his lack of discipline and not being very athletic. And not having either of those contributes to poor conditioning and shytty footwork.

This is my last sentence that Kownacki deserves lol, we've given him enough shine.

He's lacked a lot of things, perhaps the jab not one of them, you're right. But the first thing he's tended to lose in bouts is what - footwork, guard, punch recoil, head movement/head off the line.

Name a few boxers with exceptional rounds 10-12 round output in recent years, Crawford, Usyk for example. It's no coincidence that they're supreme applied when it comes to both conditioning and good sparring and volume training.

Style/techniqe is more often than not the result of supreme conditioning and 15 years of fundamentals. That's why you see so many bozos online that can do a pretty bag or mitts combo for clicks. Conor Benn for example, the heavy bag champ, but in the ring after round 4? Moves like Sly Stallone.

 

[TheNig]

That's why you see so many bozos online that can do a pretty bag or mitts combo for clicks. Conor Benn for example, the heavy bag champ, but in the ring after round 4? Moves like Sly Stallone.

I'm all in on random Conor slander.

 

[morris]

 

[morris]

I see what you're saying but that first fight with JLC isnt a good barometer, Floyd fought that entire fight with a right shoulder issue, well documented. Once healthy in rematch we saw the real deal. Constant punching helps plays into Mayweather strengths imo.

Very true...but imo JLC went In for a payday...his output and effort was abysmal. I must credit Mayweather with his defense contributing as well

 

[patscorpio]

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Just like I've been saying. They're TERRIFIED of boots








They're really trying to fight Spence on a 3 year layoff.....if Virgil fights Spence he's an absolute clown.