Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.

[Black_Jesus]

I just want to see Stevenson/Hopkin

didnt a lawyer prove to pac that arum was stealing from him?

no respect from me that hes scared to make his own promo. look at floyd canelo wlad cotto etc doing their own ting what big boxers do.

Nah that never happened...
Look at Canelo, Wlad, and Cotto... Still all make less than Pacquiao. What's your point kid?

 

[Scottie Drippin]

fukk Roy Jones

Prime Roy beats prime Toney like 10/10 times but I could care less.

Toney fights always had me watching. I had to boycott Roy and his snoozefests until he went to heavyweight.

I'm sorry, but there's just no art in circling around the ring and jumping in with one, MAYBE two punches at a time. That's what Roy was as a light-heavyweight, and people don't look upon him fondly in hindsight for a reason.

Roy Jones earned every single last one of his detractors.

 

[krackdagawd]

fukk Roy Jones

Prime Roy beats prime Toney like 10/10 times but I could care less.

Toney fights always had me watching. I had to boycott Roy and his snoozefests until he went to heavyweight.

I'm sorry, but there's just no art in circling around the ring and jumping in with one, MAYBE two punches at a time. That's what Roy was as a light-heavyweight, and people don't look upon him fondly in hindsight for a reason.

Roy Jones earned every single last one of his detractors.

If you couldn't appreciate the shyt Roy was doing that's on you, I may go at him when it's in regards to Bhop but a lot of the Roy hate is unwarranted.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Reluctant Roy fighting Cops, fire fighters N Indian chiefs on HBO even as a youngin had me

 

[King P]

Speaking of Roy, I saw his name mention is a Q&A mailbag thing along with some other things I talked about during the Floyd/Maidana fight. Glad somebody said these things

Here is the thing. I agree with you to an extent. When someone wants to sway you they will tell you to watch the fight with the sound off. I never do that. Then they will tell you to re score the fight. I have been guilty of that but I don’t do that anymore either. The fighter that “initially” influenced you during the fight is the fighter that deserves to win that round. In a competitive fight subconsciously during swing rounds you can simply flip a coin on who you want to win a round and no one would be able to argue.
I almost never get attached to a winner or loser of a boxing match. Even when I’m betting, because I have enough sense to know my scorecard has nothing to do with the judge’s scorecards.
Now I can see you know boxing but you can’t implement your own standards for scoring a fight. There is no such thing as a Punch Accuracy element to scoring a fight. That’s where WE as boxing fans go wrong. Your punch accuracy element can be put into Clean Punching or Ring Generalship. But it doesn’t stand on its own and let me explain why.
A fighter like Maidana is throwing a high volume of punches on purpose. Although they all may not be landing they keep Floyd on the defensive and it controls Floyd’s output. And make no mistake Marcos Maidana didn’t “miss” 600 punches. They may not have landed directly on the face or rib cage, but most heavy handed sluggers are instructed to beat on the arms and hips. This affects a fighter. I watched Roy Jones win a fight on punching Eric Harding in the arm.
I’m not trying to change your mind on who you scored the fight for, I’m just informing you that it’s important not to add another element to scoring a fight that is not a part of the official criteria. Thanks for the comment.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

If you couldn't appreciate the shyt Roy was doing that's on you, I may go at him when it's in regards to Bhop but a lot of the Roy hate is unwarranted.

Oh, I appreciate some of the stuff he was doing. His highlight reel is one of the best that we'll ever get. But there were a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of meh-lights in those light-heavyweight title defenses. Roy gained a reputation as one of the more pragmatic champions there had been, and he didn't really do anything to disprove that.

The Lou de Valle fight?
Reggie Johnson?
David Telesco?
Eric Harding

He had some absolute debacles in the early 00's before the move to heavyweight.

Roy was just the least compelling, least interesting, least exciting P4P fighter ever, and he never really gave off the impression during those final day atop the LHW division that he was actually really trying to make something happen. He was already convinced of something people still needed some convincing on.

 

[Newzz]

Wow. I brought this on myself when i asked to argue.

I read somewhere "Never get into an argument with an idiot, cus from afar people cant tell which one is which" or something like that.

Jones aged better than Toney? How did you work this one out? Toney is fightig brain damaged and has had nothing left for years now and he still goes the distance with all these fighters. The minute Jones lost his reflexes and athleticism he started getting sparked out cold.

And we can sit here and Boxrec Sugar Ray Robinson and talk about "but look at his losses"

Lol at "who has he beaten". :snoop.

I can tell you are either really young or just never watched any of Toneys fights.

at comparing James Toney to zab judah.

You must be one of these new boxing fans that only care about the "0".

List losses that are completely irrelavent to a fighters already cemented ATG career brehs.

And if you care to read my post I never started talking about his greatness career/resume wise. We are talking about skills on the highest level of boxing. Show me a middleweiggt who got fat and moved up to heavyweight and stood directly in front of punchers like Rahman and Peter and used pure skills like that? Do you understand boxing technique? Do you know how hard that is and how much skill is needed to do that?

Go watch his fights before you get on boxrec and start spewing nonsense. thanks.

You really don't make any sense and did not respond to anything. Just a long ass post filled with your stanning.

Obviously you're just a James Toney stan and being Im at home now, instead of at work where I usually post about boxing, I'll let you continue your rant.

My point was, talent means nothing if you dont harvest it or win the big fight. James Toney has beaten 1B+ fighter in 85 career fights. Dont ever compare him to RJJ again

 

[King P]

The problem is that it is flawed if when you use the same system without the athleticism you start getting knocked out cold. Nobody is saying you have to fight in one style. But theres boxing fundamentals and there is an ELITE athlete that is junping into punches using ridiculous speed and reflexes amd jumping straight back out.

If you watch the first Montell Griffin - RJJ fight you can see his flaws when hes in there with a fighter whos schooled with real boxing fundamentals.

Its why Hopkins has lasted so long.

I hear what you're saying. I will say this though...

The getting knocked out cold has more to do with your chin than anything else. And this isn't basketball where you can just go from a slasher to a jump shooter or go from a starter to a sixth man. Boxing doesn't work like that, and most fighters can't just reinvent themselves years later after all they did to get them to that point.

Roy's whole style was built around his athleticism. There was a documentary where his father even said the reason he trained Roy unorthadox was because of his unnatural skills. So to say he can just "fall back on his skill" is wrong. What he was using are his skills. Every style of fighter can't last the same length.

The problem is that we only use the "relying on athleticism" shyt for Roy, when tons of great fighters are like that. Including people like Ali and Pernell Whitaker. Which is funny to me, because Pernell is considered one of the greatest defensive fighters ever. Yet he too relied mostly on his athleticism and reflexes. Go look at some of his fights at the end of his career, when those attributes weren't there anymore.. He started getting hit alot more than usual. Diosbelys Hurtado was outboxing the shyt outta Pernell before he got knocked out. And let's not forget how Tito Trinidad was beating him from pillar to post. Only difference was Sweat Pea had a chin and alot of toughness, which is why he never got knocked out or stopped. If he did, we'd probably be looking at him alot like Jones

 

[Newzz]

The problem is that it is flawed if when you use the same system without the athleticism you start getting knocked out cold. Nobody is saying you have to fight in one style. But theres boxing fundamentals and there is an ELITE athlete that is junping into punches using ridiculous speed and reflexes amd jumping straight back out.

If you watch the first Montell Griffin - RJJ fight you can see his flaws when hes in there with a fighter whos schooled with real boxing fundamentals.

Its why Hopkins has lasted so long.

Who beat Montell Griffin though......RJJ, the flawed fighter or James Toney, the most talented fighter you ever seen?

Talent means shyt if you dont harvest it and use it when it matters


You must be James Toney himself:ohhh
:

In that case, welcome to The Ring breh.

 

[Newzz]

Speaking of Roy, I saw his name mention is a Q&A mailbag thing along with some other things I talked about during the Floyd/Maidana fight. Glad somebody else

I know that boxing knowledge from anywhere.......thats Breadman ain't it?

 

[King P]

I know that boxing knowledge from anywhere.......thats Breadman ain't it?

Yessir lol

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

I'm a hardcore Roy fan, but I can't front on him. You would think he had legit beef with the whole social worker demographic the way he used to be beating up on cops, mail men, and etc.. all up on my pop's HBO subscription.

 

[krackdagawd]

So he didnt beat michael nunn to win the title? That wasnt a meaningful fight?

How about we compare Toneys resume to RJJs.

You can't compares Toney's resume to Roy's at all breh, Roy has more hof fighters and an ATG in Hopkins(which BHop avenged )

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

I hear what you're saying. I will say this though...

The getting knocked out cold has more to do with your chin than anything else. And this isn't basketball where you can't just go from a slasher to a jump shooter or go from a starter to a sixth man. Boxing doesn't work like that, and most fighters can't just reinvent themselves years later after all they did to get them to that point.

Roy's whole style was built around his athleticism. There was a documentary where his father even said the reason he trained Roy unorthadox was because of his unnatural skills. So to say he can just "fall back on his skill" is wrong. What he was using are his skills. Every style of fighter can't last the same length.

The problem is that we only use the "relying on athleticism" shyt for Roy, when tons of great fighters are like that. Including people like Ali and Pernell Whitaker. Which is funny to me, because Pernell is considered one of the greatest defensive fighters ever. Yet he too relied mostly on his athleticism and reflexes. Go look at some of his fights at the end of his career, when those attributes weren't there anymore.. He started getting hit alot more than usual. Diosbelys Hurtado was outboxing the shyt outta Pernell before he got knocked out. And let's not forget how Tito Trinidad was beating him from pillar to post. Only difference was Sweat Pea had a chin and alot of toughness, which is why he never got knocked out or stopped. If he did, we'd probably be looking at him alot like Jones

Powerful posting

 

[Newzz]

So he didnt beat michael nunn to win the title. That wasnt a meaningful fight?

How about we compare Toneys resume to RJJs.

How bout not breh


James was greatly talented and it seems you're so caught up with stanning that you're not getting my point.


Toney WAS a beast, however, he didn't come into many fights in the best shape he could which speaks to the work you put in and dedication. You can try and spin it like "he was old school", but there were MANY old school fighters who always showed up at LEAST in shape.

IMO, he was a much better fighter than how his career turned out. Alot can be blamed on his promotion...I will give you that.

By saying Judah, I meant very talented boxers who for some reason did not reach the peak or levels they shouldve reached in the sport.