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[Lhark]

but the TLDW is he follows some known racist dudes on twitter on some "seeing the point of view from both sides" shyt and been had some weird ass takes on black comic chars

These bothsides people think this ideology is so profound that it can explain away some bs the "otherside" is not supposed to be flatout racisim.

 

[Dirty Mcdrawz]

My take on the Manga vs Comics conversation

• Manga is cheaper.
• Has faithful, good-quality animated adaptations for non-readers in the form of anime.
• Has a low entry point for newcomers getting into a series.
• Has one writer and a beginning/end.
• Has better drawn and animated action/fight scenes than their western counterpart.
• A consistent release schedule.
• Manga/Anime is taken more seriously in the East than comics/cartoons in the West.
• More genres outside of the action genre. Gets attention and a chance at an animated adaptation.

All your points for manga pretty much enforces my perspective that image is a better comic publisher than dc/marvel. They have more variety of genres and easy to get into them because they don’t have the continuity baggage like marvel/dc comics do.

 

[s@n]

Yup

I really only discovered buddy a couple years ago because I generally don't like people interpreting comics for me, but I quickly realized Rob fukking sucks. He mispronounces shyt all the time, he's corny as fukk, and he avoids any race-related discourse even when the comics themselves directly point to them. He's pathetic. Also, I never heard of Nerdrotic, but I happened upon Crit Drinker a few months ago an only had to watch a couple of videos to see how much of a fukking lame he is. The pasteoid couldn't keep Rachel Ziegler's name out his mouth over the course of three videos. It gives major incel energy. Also, this Blerd cat needs to hit the edit button on his shyt, 'ol rambling ass.

 

[Uncle Baby Billy]

I only fux with Comic Book Club.

 

[Primetime]

To give perspective… DBZ’s Saiyan through Frieza saga by Akira Toriyama, would be like Hickman’s run of F4 series through Secret Wars II being the only F4 + Avengers story ever told, post AvX.

As in, not another series featuring them or usage of any of those characters until the Ultimates prelude issue by Hickman, and not again until Imperium by Hickman.

Then imagine if everything we knew about the characters in outside media was just a redux/retelling of the Hickman story/depiction.

That’s essentially HxH, Berserk, Naruto, DBZ, etc. it’s not right or wrong but it is a complete shift from the billion different stories/depictions/variations every decade by a billion writers going on infinity with no end.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Re: manga vs comics, I've said this before, but the biggest difference is in the adaptation pipeline,

When a manga gets adapted into an anime, you'll have people who read the manga already check it out because they want to see it animated, or anime only watchers who will read the manga because they want to get ahead on the story, so there's more synergy there.

When a comic book is adapted into a show or movie, the studios often take the IP and go in whatever direction they want with it--changing origins, completely different designs or characterizations, or the somebody just repurposing their rejected screenplay to fit the IP. Then the comics will often try to go back and change the characters to fit the movie or TV versions, but the two mediums are so different that it doesn't bring new readers in. We have generations of fans who love the MCU, Marvel Rivals, Teen Titans 2003, etc., who do not know or care anything about the comics.

Plus in Japan they have shyt like manga cafes, which would be unheard of in America for comics.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Re: Comics Explained, I don't have a problem really if he's just not a big fan of Milestone. He's not obligated to like it, but what I do have a problem with is him saying that he wouldn't cover it because he didn't want to be a 'mouthpiece' for 'black politics.' Like nikka fukk you. Your entire existence as a black man in America is a 'mouthpiece' for 'black politics.' Also, by saying that he's reducing its existence to being solely for black people like the Milestone characters aren't beloved regardless of race, as if Static Shock wasn't one of the most beloved cartoons from the 2000s and people haven't been begging for DC to do more with Static, Icon, Hardware, et al for decades now.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

All your points for manga pretty much enforces my perspective that image is a better comic publisher than dc/marvel. They have more variety of genres and easy to get into them because they don’t have the continuity baggage like marvel/dc comics do.

Image got like five different shared universes right now. They'll get there eventually.

 

[Jmare007]

I never really cared that much for Rob but I wont pretend like I never watched some his recaps for some stories I liked. I was always impressed at how much traction his videos get though, his channel is massive.

I've always been a Comic Pop guy (even though I disagree with Sal's takes half of the time, lol) I know he's very close to Rob but wouldn't shock me if this throws a wrench at that relationship.

 

[Jmare007]

Regarding the comics vs manga discussion...I don't have anything meaningful to add besides what y'all stated already.

But I gotta say, U.S comics can still be massive when they find the right direction and let good authors cook. DC been seeing it the past 12 months or so.

I gotta hope Marvel will start firing people up top in the next two years because it doesn't seem current management has any interest in giving the readers interesting and satisfying stories and they will continue to get their asses handed to them by DC until that changes. Don't see it happening before mid-late 2027 though

 

[Mr. Negative]

comics vs manga.

Closest american comics is gonna get is the Trade Paperback market.

You cant expect comics to be anywhere near as "good" as manga. Our countries are too culturally different.

Hell, just look at the histories of the genres' counterparts: Anime vs American animation. Stuff was grossly mismanaged when anime started trickling over, because in the common American's mind, anything drawn and not live action was for kids. Like "sure, I can't pronounce this Ew... Euro.... Euro Sock You Doji, but it's a cartoon so sure, 14 year old child. You can watch it. Cartoons are for kids."

Cats were mentally unprepared.

We at large still arent. Its the reason why in a lot of executives' minds, Movies and TV are for adults and regular people. Kids, nerds, pervs and losers read comics. So we gotta change the comics to match the live action. So hope- HOPEFULLY, normal people who liked the live action will like the comics.

I don't wanna say other cultures dont have that problem, cause I don't know. But it seems like other cultures dont have that problem.

We celebrated Xmen selling a milli out the gate in the 90s. Shonen Jump was selling like 9 mil a week.




edit: and I also want to go on record as saying I once said (and I've seen other people say) "comics have gone mainstream".

They havent.

The CHARACTERS may have, but the medium itself has not.

 

[Mr. Negative]

rereading Brandon Graham's "Prophet" run (issue 21 onwards). shyt is crack.


There was a brief time where the whole "one man vs a science fiction version of hell, and it gets worse every issue" was all the rave. This, Fear Agent, Black Science.... then it kinda tapered off and disappeared.

I wanna say it was replaced by Walking Dead and the influx/glut of zombie shyt that followed?

damn shame.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

This is a perfect example of what I've been saying regarding the comics vs manga argument.

 

[Dillah810]

Rob tries to explain himself

 

[Uncle Baby Billy]

Two confirmed deaths in the final issue of Ultimate Spider-Man:
(Big spoilers)

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