Essential The Official Football (Soccer) Thread - RIP Diogo Jota

[ADP]

hoping to see a good performance from watford despite their questionable form

 

[Cape Town JHB]

You cannot be the best player in the PL when you don't even play half the games.

You one of those Boers?

That Dinho video is classic, but clearly when I said .

The only thing Dinho did for the rest of that season was a nice assist in the CL semi vs Milan. Let's not even talk about the vs Liverpool the following season.

And no that Chelsea isn't the best team I've seen in the PL history. What does besting Barca in a cup competition got to do with the PL. But if you want to play that game what about them Scousers. Surely the greatest ever PL team should of beaten them.

"
Robben proved to be a crucial player for the2004–05 season; in November 2004, he was awarded the Premier League Player of the Month award.[5][6] Robben ended the 2004–05 season with seven goals, his second highest professional total. He was shortlisted for thePFA Young Player of the Year, but was beaten by Manchester United's Wayne Rooney.[20][21]Robben was badly injured in a Premier Leaguematch away to Blackburn Rovers and forced to sit out Chelsea's title run-in and progress to the semi-finals of the UEFA Champions League."

"
. The 2004/5 Chelsea title winning season was historic for the vast number of records set during the season. The list of achievements include; most away wins in a season (15), most clean sheets kept in a season (25), fewest goals conceded away in a season (9), most wins in a season (29), most consecutive away wins (9), fewest goals conceded in a season (15) and most points in a season (95)."

I can tell you're one of those guys who wants to argue trivial things. If i felt you were truly passionate I'd continue talking. No im not a Boer. Im a black man. Peace

 

[TobiOT]

Nah City always score 3+ goals at Watford

I'm not gonna call it, but I feel like away @ Watford is a game City could draw/lose.

But then again it's City

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

But all this stuff as a guy who watched this so-called golden era is a bunch of revisionist bullshyt. Example Zidane didn't do nothing at Madrid once Del Bosque left, he had zero motivation fof all the crappy politics, but when he decided to turn on the magic he would, ala 2006 WC after 3 mediocre years at Madrid.
So when people talk about eras it's just weird.

The best passer of a footballer that time was none of these so-called legends like Xavi, it was the Portuguese maestro Rui Costa.
His genius is summed un in one play in 2003 vs Real Madrid a massive massive game at the San Siro.


Other immensely celebrated and loved players were Henriik Larsson who came off the bench in the 2006 CL Final in Paris and did what Deco and Xavi could not do all game, unlock the Arsenal defence.


Juventus is and was the most electrifying team to watch play football followed and tied the art that was AC Milan from.
There's no such thing as the dominance of this and that player coz Samuel Etoo won Barcelona the 2006 and 2009 Finals in Paris and Rome but in revisionist history it was Messi.

I simply do not subscribe to the notion that because capitalistic greed, mass marketing and overall media hype etc have created pathetic ethic in football that has lead to a demise in not only the quality of footballers, the standard of coaching, the atmosphere in the stadiums, the overall discussions and culture etc that doesn't necessarily make the mid 2000s a golden era. That era is simply how football is and should be.

Something i would greatly caution Americans from is equating 80s Celtics /Lakers, 90s Pistons, Bulls, Knicks etc NBA
with football. And using all those American talking points like "eras of dominance"... The CL is just too damn hard and you need to much luck for you to start talking about "dominance" Madrid required extra time twice, and a penalty shootout to win 2 (both against Atletico). Barca 2009 Iniesta miracle with "That Norwegian Ref" was tons of luck, no dominance at all in that semi vs Chelsea, we all know the 2005 Milan choke and the 2006 AC Milan 2nd leg game where Shevchenko's goal and away goal was called offside, there was no team "dominating" world class teams were battling it out to death and after 5 years some had 1 CL title, others had 2,others had 0,others had treble seasons but i do not remember any team being dominant.

Football is a soooooooooo big and deeply entrenched and the talent pool was always always real deep. There's really no eras if you watched back then. Even Madrid were lucky as hell in 1998,more a Juve choke.
I wish i could explain it better but certainly don't use American sports mentality coz that's one of the biggest problem in football now.

 

[FukyourFort]

this nikka said Pogba isnt world class

 

[Cape Town JHB]

On in

And they're not gonna get the full picture by watching highlights. The clues in the name, mate.

Yeah when i watch old Maradona tapes i watch the full games it's so amazing to see him get hacked to pieces, lose the ball, try things and see his frustration building and the sheer elation when he's struggling all game and just dribbles past 2 and chip the keeper from outside the box. It adds a whole element of appreciation and crucial context as you pointed out.

If i can suggest a great documentary on not only Maradona but Napoli and Italian football culture in the 80s it would be this :


Not much actual football footage but you really get a great insight into the mentality and culture.

Did you ever get the chance to watch Mihajlovic and Nakamura take free kicks. The bend and curve of Mihajlovic and the zip and dip of Nakamura's still has me in awe to this day..

Casse in point

 

[Bboystyle]

Put your money on City losing if you have money to waste. Last couple games against Watford have been at least 5 goals.

Im betting man city to win with total goals +3

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

"
Robben proved to be a crucial player for the2004–05 season; in November 2004, he was awarded the Premier League Player of the Month award.[5][6] Robben ended the 2004–05 season with seven goals, his second highest professional total. He was shortlisted for thePFA Young Player of the Year, but was beaten by Manchester United's Wayne Rooney.[20][21]Robben was badly injured in a Premier Leaguematch away to Blackburn Rovers and forced to sit out Chelsea's title run-in and progress to the semi-finals of the UEFA Champions League."

"
. The 2004/5 Chelsea title winning season was historic for the vast number of records set during the season. The list of achievements include; most away wins in a season (15), most clean sheets kept in a season (25), fewest goals conceded away in a season (9), most wins in a season (29), most consecutive away wins (9), fewest goals conceded in a season (15) and most points in a season (95)."

I can tell you're one of those guys who wants to argue trivial things. If i felt you were truly passionate I'd continue talking. No im not a Boer. Im a black man. Peace

What these got to do with Robben, breh? He played 18 PL games, in 04/05. I dont care if you post every single min of all 18 games, Robben wasnt the best PL player in 04/05.

And you seem to be one of those guys who dont like it when people question you and push back? Let me guess tho, you know football better than everyone else.

 

[Bboystyle]

But all this stuff as a guy who watched this so-called golden era is a bunch of revisionist bullshyt. Example Zidane didn't do nothing at Madrid once Del Bosque left, he had zero motivation fof all the crappy politics, but when he decided to turn on the magic he would, ala 2006 WC after 3 mediocre years at Madrid.
So when people talk about eras it's just weird.

The best passer of a footballer that time was none of these so-called legends like Xavi, it was the Portuguese maestro Rui Costa.
His genius is summed un in one play in 2003 vs Real Madrid a massive massive game at the San Siro.


Other immensely celebrated and loved players were Henriik Larsson who came off the bench in the 2006 CL Final in Paris and did what Deco and Xavi could not do all game, unlock the Arsenal defence.


Juventus is and was the most electrifying team to watch play football followed and tied the art that was AC Milan from.
There's no such thing as the dominance of this and that player coz Samuel Etoo won Barcelona the 2006 and 2009 Finals in Paris and Rome but in revisionist history it was Messi.

I simply do not subscribe to the notion that because capitalistic greed, mass marketing and overall media hype etc have created pathetic ethic in football that has lead to a demise in not only the quality of footballers, the standard of coaching, the atmosphere in the stadiums, the overall discussions and culture etc that doesn't necessarily make the mid 2000s a golden era. That era is simply how football is and should be.

Something i would greatly caution Americans from is equating 80s Celtics /Lakers, 90s Pistons, Bulls, Knicks etc NBA
with football. And using all those American talking points like "eras of dominance"... The CL is just too damn hard and you need to much luck for you to start talking about "dominance" Madrid required extra time twice, and a penalty shootout to win 2 (both against Atletico). Barca 2009 Iniesta miracle with "That Norwegian Ref" was tons of luck, no dominance at all in that semi vs Chelsea, we all know the 2005 Milan choke and the 2006 AC Milan 2nd leg game where Shevchenko's goal and away goal was called offside, there was no team "dominating" world class teams were battling it out to death and after 5 years some had 1 CL title, others had 2,others had 0,others had treble seasons but i do not remember any team being dominant.

Football is a soooooooooo big and deeply entrenched and the talent pool was always always real deep. There's really no eras if you watched back then. Even Madrid were lucky as hell in 1998,more a Juve choke.
I wish i could explain it better but certainly don't use American sports mentality coz that's one of the biggest problem in football now.

Muthafukka u using small sample sizes as your back up

 

[Cape Town JHB]

this nikka said Pogba isnt world class

It goes to show how influential the media is now. We saw what he did at Juve, Euro 2016 and the lasy WC. When guys say things like this I'm not even sure where to take the conversation.

 

[MikeyC]

On in

Yeah when i watch old Maradona tapes i watch the full games it's so amazing to see him get hacked to pieces, lose the ball, try things and see his frustration building and the sheer elation when he's struggling all game and just dribbles past 2 and chip the keeper from outside the box. It adds a whole element of appreciation and crucial context as you pointed out.

If i can suggest a great documentary on not only Maradona but Napoli and Italian football culture in the 80s it would be this :


Not much actual football footage but you really get a great insight into the mentality and culture.

Ill checc it out still

Did you ever get the chance to watch Mihajlovic and Nakamura take free kicks. The bend and curve of Mihajlovic and the zip and dip of Nakamura's still has me in awe to this day..

Casse in point

I did get to see them take free kicks, but I never really fucced with them like that, mainly because:

1. Nakamura played in Scotland
2. Mihajlovic is a piece of shyt

Juninho Pernambucano was my guy tho

 

[Cape Town JHB]

What these got to do with Robben, breh? He played 18 PL games, in 04/05. I dont care if you post every single min of all 18 games, Robben wasnt the best PL player in 04/05.

And you seem to be one of those guys who dont like it when people question you and push back? Let me guess tho, you know football better than everyone else.

It's cool. We don't have to argue I've said what i said and tried my best to reference and specify why i say what i say. Peace breh

 

[CoochieMane]

Nikka said ronaldinho was declining in 2005 I'm out

 

[Cape Town JHB]

Ill checc it out still



I did get to see them take free kicks, but I never really fucced with them like that, mainly because:

1. Nakamura played in Scotland
2. Mihajlovic is a piece of shyt

Juninho Pernambucano was my guy tho

Juninho is a low hanging fruit tho coz that cracker was an alien. I can explain the above mentioned techniques, i still have no idea what and how Juninho made a football change 4 different directions mid air ... ..I'm still gobsmacked by his technique. Remember what he did to Barcelona/Valldez when he was at Lyon 2009..



Mihajlovic an ass hole, ALL great footballers are self absorbed kunts tho

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

this nikka said Pogba isnt world class

I said he is a very good player, but not WC. You acting like I said he Carlton Palmer with a greenlight?

It goes to show how influential the media is now. We saw what he did at Juve, Euro 2016 and the lasy WC. When guys say things like this I'm not even sure where to take the conversation.

Mou Sissoko was better than Pogba in the Euros. Sissoko vs Germany and Portugal, better than anything Pogba did in that tournament.