The Official Hip Hop Grammy's 2014 Thread
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I love we talk about on the coli and other forums how the grammy's dont mean shyt but yet we have a sticky thread. If we really don't want to care about the grammys unsticky this fukking thread. They don't care about hip hop.
Actually I was thinking maybe he perform bytch Don't Kill My Vibe
with Lady Gaga singing the Hook or another RnB artist
But let him spit his first verse from the original song
and let Jay Z come out of no where and spit his remix verse
yeah that would be dope
or how about he make some new music
Myrical Lyfe
In the Gutter, of the Tunnel
The ignorance in this thread is absurd.
Exactly, we're in a world where people are influenced by other cultural factors much more than Grammy winners. People will go into those awards thinking their guy should win and if they don't, they'll
and move on. That's just life.Or that too
Exactly, we're in a world where people are influenced by other cultural factors much more than Grammy winners. People will go into those awards thinking their guy should win and if they don't, they'll
However lets say for the sake of argument that there is a BIT of a truth in that the Grammy's honoring rap artists in the AOTY category has some influence in the changing climate. I agree that artists are going to do what they want and what they feel, however, whether or not their artistic expression is taken seriously and given the push they they need to reach a higher platform is predicated by the success of those who came before ( at least to some degree) Outkast winning AOTY in 2004 for Speakerboxx/Love Below it can be argued helped an artist such as Kanye West, with his non-gangsta image and hipster appeal, be taken seriously enough to release his debut, College Dropout. Not that the sounds of the albums are sonically the same, but Kanye was given the platform to crossover while retaining artistic credibility ( as was Outkast). Kanye's success and further mainstream recognition in turn gave birth DIRECTLY to artists such as Drake, ASAP Rocky, and J.Cole (all recent Grammy nominees) as well as Kendrick Lamar.
I'm not saying that this is the ONLY reason why these artists attain mainstream success I'm just saying it's a possible reason. It's also why I was upset at Nas getting snubbed last year (and in specific categories like Best Rap Song Vs. Best Rap Performance) as the mainstream's portrayal of who is deserving and who isn't speaks to a fundamental misunderstanding of the genre as a whole, which can have disastrous after effects
Why is it we never campaign for rappers who appeal to the hood over those that appeal to these "real hip hop" posing cacs when it comes to grammys 
And @Ziggiy Jay winning for nikkaz in Paris is not a misunderstanding or perpetuating one..unless u are forgetting where aand what was one of the original purposes of hip hop
And @Ziggiy Jay winning for nikkaz in Paris is not a misunderstanding or perpetuating one..unless u are forgetting where aand what was one of the original purposes of hip hop
The College Dropout was largely crafted prior to Outkast winning. His Rocafella co-sign and subsequent commercial success are what lead to his stature after College Dropout. If not for the Rocafella co-sign, and the push they gave him, combined with how good his musically actually was--he would just be another underground rapper. He would've not gotten past where Little Brother was (potentially). Jesus Walks would not have made it onto radio (almost certainly). Kanye West was slighted for best new artist, but did win rap album of the year. He eventually came to influence this entire new generation because they, and the public as a whole, embraced him. It was not because of Grammys or any other award. We knew more about him complaining about what he didn't win than what he did win. The entity that he became did breed these new emcees, but they were already disaffected by what they saw in the mainstream to some degree. He connected to something in them that was already there waiting to come out, and it resonated with me too but I saw that it did not resonate with my cousin right next to me.
An award may very well bring you more attention, it definitely brought attention to 3 6 Mafia after the Oscars but let's not go overboard. The attention lasts only as long as you continue to produce something the public wants. The public and artists will choose whether or not they want to be inspired by Kendrick, the awards won't dictate that. Now, a continuous cycle of certain types of songs winning in different rap categories can fundamentally change what we consider to be award-winning music. That is true, but that is true of anything. That is where the term "Oscar bait" comes from. It's based on the type of performances that have won in the past. One win is unlikely to do anything (outside a variety of various circumstances more related to coverage than the music),and, you're probably equally as likely to receive backlash from people saying that the media doesn't understand where they're coming from. and is overlooking them.
As for your problem with best rap song vs. best rap performance you were wrong last year and I told you why. You hoped your understanding of what the awards should mean (influenced substantially by your love of Nas and rappers of his ilk) would be mirrored by the Grammys. It never has. You failed to recognize that best rap performance had almost always gone to an "anthem," like I said. It was CLEAR that "In Paris" would win. History said that. So, yes the Grammys do frequently fail to pay lyricists in hip hop their due but they did not "get it wrong" according to their standards. They picked who they always pick for that award, you just hoped that for once it would mean something different. I mean Nelly's "Hot In Here" won that award before over "Song Cry" you couldn't possibly think it meant anything else but that. Given that, I don't see how Drake or Macklemore don't win this year.
Mike Otherz
All Star
listened to Good Kid again, that album really is a masterpiece.
But again, and we had this conversation last year, my issue wasn't that NIP won rap performance, it certainly deserved that, my issue was that it didn't deserve Best Rap SONG over Daughters and that the Grammy's failure of distinction is the overall problem. Remember Best Rap Song is the writer's award whereas rap performance is for the overall performance of the song. nikkaz In Paris is an anthem that can be performed 12 straight times during a concert and he crowd loses their mines every time, Daughters is a thoughtful, poignant song with an original message and theme that was expertly crafted and written. Hip Hop is a diverse genre and if the Grammy's saw fit to include that distinction in their categories then it only makes sense that they would in turn do so for the winners
Kendrick Lamar will be performing MAAD CITY with the band Imagine Dragons instead of his own live band.
(yes, m.A.A.d City at the Grammy Awards
)http://allhiphop.com/2014/01/24/ken...-d-city-with-imagine-dragon-at-grammys-video/