The Official Israel 🇮🇱 & Gaza 🇵🇸 Thread

[Loose]

You’ll continue to be disappointed reality until you join us in it.

I expected a pathetic response from you after a bad faith argument was destroyed, this why most don't take you serious

 

[Pressure]

You’ll continue to be disappointed reality until you join us in it.

you’re arguing with a guy who blames trade deals for the tide change in working class Americans, yet they just voted for the same guys and parties that negotiated those same deals.

 

[King Kreole]

Let’s put pen to paper and not speak in generalities.

If you were Ayanna Pressley’s campaign manager, chief strategist and were able to curate her policy platform, how would you have her run to ensure she wins the rural cac vote against JD Vance?

I gave you multiple policies in the post you quoted. Universal healthcare, urban and rural community revitalization tied to reduction in spending for foreign wars and Israel, universal government services like childcare and paid family leave and free post-secondary education tied to reigning in oligarchs and corporations via taxation and regulation.

The litmus test isn't winning a majority of the rural cac vote, it's winning enough of those apparently irredeemably racist voters (who voted twice to make President a random black guy with Hussein as a middle name) to win the election. And a policy platform with this animating vision would be able to do that. If you are incapable of promoting this vision because you are more beholden to the oligarchs and military industrial complex and health care lobbyists, then all you're left with is "...well trust us, the other guys are really bad!" which is a weak, reactive message.

 

[Outlaw]

I expected a pathetic response from you after a bad faith argument was destroyed, this why most don't take you serious

Harris vs. Trump on the issues: Whose policies do voters prefer? | YouGov

As the 2024 presidential election approaches, we take a deep dive into the policies that registered voters support, the issues they care about, and the candidates they trust to handle them.

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When the race and gender aren’t attached to the policies, voters preferred Kamala’s “dogshyt” platform .. I wonder why that changed once they went into the voting booth



The fact that voters preferred Kamala’s policy positions over Trump but still lost debunks your argument

 

[Outlaw]

I gave you multiple policies in the post you quoted. Universal healthcare, urban and rural community revitalization tied to reduction in spending for foreign wars and Israel, universal government services like childcare and paid family leave and free post-secondary education tied to reigning in oligarchs and corporations via taxation and regulation.

The rural cacs will write it off as gubament handouts and communism. I don’t see those programs resonating with them because upholding cac supremacy matters more to them than any type of economic or social programs that could be offered.

The litmus test isn't winning a majority of the rural cac vote, it's winning enough of those apparently irredeemably racist voters (who voted twice to make President a random black guy with Hussein as a middle name) to win the election. And a policy platform with this animating vision would be able to do that. If you are incapable of promoting this vision because you are more beholden to the oligarchs and military industrial complex and health care lobbyists, then all you're left with is "...well trust us, the other guys are really bad!" which is a weak, reactive message.

Obama only won 39% of the white vote.

Here’s a question,

Why was there a political realignment after LBJ’s presidency. LBJ offered bold, transformative economic populism yet that didn’t translate to a 50 year reich for the democrats

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Hamas needs to get serious and return the rest of the hostages

 

[Mister Terrific]

The rural cacs will write it off as gubament handouts and communism. I don’t see those programs resonating with them because upholding cac supremacy matters more to them than any type of economic or social programs that could be offered.



Obama only won 39% of the white vote.

Here’s a question,

Why was there a political realignment after LBJ’s presidency. LBJ offered bold, transformative economic populism yet that didn’t translate to a 50 year reich for the democrats

Communists who’ve never worked a blue collar job in their lives think that we are always one government program away from achieving socialism in the Bible Belt.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

 

[Mister Terrific]

The transformative Republican platform

 

[King Kreole]

The rural cacs will write it off as gubament handouts and communism. I don’t see those programs resonating with them because upholding cac supremacy matters more to them than any type of economic or social programs that could be offered.

See, I think this is actually a lie (or at least an unwarranted presupposition) told to us by Democratic consultants working on behalf of private interests who would be harmed by a return to robust public programs and benefits. "The racist whites will never let us have good public programs like universal healthcare, so don't even try running on it...by the way I've scheduled you for a $25K-per-head fundraiser at my good friend Mr. Eli Lilly's beach house...also, my fee will be cashed whether you win or lose the election...see you in 4 years!"

Racist cacs are not mindless zombie hordes, man. That's a simplistic narrative that actually undersells the perniciousness and pervasiveness of white supremacy.

Obama only won 39% of the white vote.

He won 43% in 2008 but yeah he only won 39% in 2012...which is exactly my point, you don't need 51%+ of the white vote to win the election.

Here’s a question,

Why was there a political realignment after LBJ’s presidency. LBJ offered bold, transformative economic populism yet that didn’t translate to a 50 year reich for the democrats

The political fruits of the Great Society were more or less squandered by the party becoming overrun by globalization hawks and neoliberals within 10 years of the end of the Johnson Administration. McGovern in '72 was the last FDR/LBJ style economic populist candidate the Democrats have nominated. The Republicans do deserve credit for putting up a very solid counter-strike with the Southern Strategy, but much of their success was a result of Democrats being seduced by the new socio-economic theory which postulated they could have it both ways.

 

[voltronblack]

The transformative Republican platform

damn, bruh that's cold but @ADevilYouKhow she should have known the block was going to get nuked when she saw Trump get in office, he openly talked about going after them

 

[88m3]

Racist cacs are not mindless zombie hordes, man.

you took that personally huh

 

[King Kreole]

Are you under the impression that Hamas is left wing or pro black?

Hamas is a right wing theocracy

Anti-colonial resistance is a fundamentally left-wing proposition. And Sinwar statement on George Floyd is better than the Democratic leadership’s performative kneeling in kente clothe.



Hamas is a quasi-governmental resistance organization operating under apartheid. They don’t belong in the same category as the Saudi regime or Orban’s Hungary.

 

[King Kreole]

you took that personally huh

You are illiterate.

 

[FAH1223]

Fascinating behind the scenes of the negotiations. Gershon Baskin has negotiated with Hamas for over 2 decades and he was able to meet Witkoff back in December. He’s been communicating with him ever since acting as another liaison with the Hamas leaders



And CBS 60 Minutes is interviewing Witkoff and Kushner who say they felt betrayed by the Israelis when they bombed Qatar.