The Official Israel 🇮🇱 & Gaza 🇵🇸 Thread

[Robbie3000]

Another moral leftists claiming someone should experience slavery because they have a philosophical disagreement on how to overcome oppression.

Your ancestors weren’t slaves in America, shut the fukk up

There is no Philosophical difference to calling slave revolts “dummy missions”. So I guess if the Haitian revolution failed, Toussaint Louverture would have led his people on a dummy mission?

I don’t even know why brought up that exchange because it makes you look real crazy.

 

[Conan]

The caveat is violence against an overwhelming force. A slave joining the union made perfect sense because it would increase their odds of freedom.

So slave rebellions prior to the Civil War didn't make perfect sense because they were not backed by overwhelming force?

Buddha be a fence

 

[Outlaw]

There is no Philosophical difference to calling slave revolts “dummy missions”. So I guess if the Haitian revolution failed, Toussaint Louverture would have led his people on a funny mission?

I don’t even know why brought up that exchange because it makes you look real crazy.

The Haitian revolution wasn’t slaves revolting against an impossible force in Haiti because they won.

You keep glossing over the caveat that if the oppressed is facing an overwhelming force where if they revolted violently it would lead to their deaths, their families death and others in proximity deaths, violence would not be the best method of resistance if freedom is the goal.

 

[Outlaw]

So slave rebellions prior to the Civil War didn't make perfect sense because they were not backed by overwhelming force?

Buddha be a fence

What were the outcomes of the slave rebellions?

It made sense because slavery is worse than death but if freedom is the goal, the slave rebellions didn’t achieve that end

 

[Robbie3000]

The Haitian revolution wasn’t slaves revolting against an impossible force in Haiti because they won.

You keep glossing over the caveat that if the oppressed is facing an overwhelming force where if they revolted violently it would lead to their deaths, their families death and others in proximity deaths, violence would not be the best method of resistance if freedom is the goal.

For your own good stop. The hole you dug is getting deeper and deeper.

Haitian revolution was not guaranteed. They were revolting against Napoleon and the most powerful army in the world.

C’mon breh. Stop it.

This is what happens when you try to rationalize genocide. You end up looking crazy.

 

[Outlaw]

For your own good stop. The hole you dug is getting deeper and deeper.

Haitian revolution was not guaranteed. They were revolting against Napoleon and the most powerful army in the world.

C’mon breh. Stop it.

This is what happens when you try to rationalize genocide. You end up looking crazy.

The Haitians weren’t revolting against the full might of the French military, they were revolting against the pocket of military located on Haiti.

Their odds made sense because the outcome led to their freedom through conventional means.

Apples and oranges comparison.

Hamas crashing out against Israel led to the deaths of thousands of innocent Palestinians, they committed a dummy mission.

 

[Loose]

What were the outcomes of the slave rebellions?

It made sense because death is worse than slavery but if freedom is the goal, the slave rebellions didn’t achieve that end

This is absurd sanewashing—trying to rationalize chattel slavery and apartheid as conditions not dire enough to warrant resistance, even violent or fatal. Is this man seriously arguing that slavery isn’t bad enough to justify dying over??

 

[Outlaw]

This is absurd sanewashing—trying to rationalize chattel slavery and apartheid as conditions not dire enough to warrant resistance, even violent or fatal. Is this man seriously arguing that slavery isn’t bad enough to justify dying over??

I typed too fast. I meant to say it made sense because slavery is worse than death

 

[mastermind]

@Outlaw is a guy that learned American history from Schoolhouse Rock.

 

[Conan]

@Outlaw is a guy that learned American history from Schoolhouse Rock.

Need to get him a copy of "A People's History of the United States" stat

 

[Robbie3000]

The Haitians weren’t revolting against the full might of the French military, they were revolting against the pocket of military located on Haiti.

Their odds made sense because the outcome led to their freedom through conventional means.

Apples and oranges comparison.

Hamas crashing out against Israel led to the deaths of thousands of innocent Palestinians, they committed a dummy mission.

You can't be serious. The Haitians weren’t just fighting a “pocket” of troops. Napoleon literally sent 20,000 reinforcements, one of the strongest armies in the world at the time. And the idea that they had decent odds? Nobody expected an enslaved population to beat a European superpower and win independence.

You are trying to spin because you denigrated your own ancestors and others who died fighting for freedom. You need to apologize to your ancestors for your disrespect.

The only reason you are making crazy ass statements like this is because you have taken on the side of the oppressor in this Gaza issue.

 

[Outlaw]

You can't be serious. The Haitians weren’t just fighting a “pocket” of troops. Napoleon literally sent 20,000 reinforcements, one of the strongest armies in the world at the time. And the idea that they had decent odds? Nobody expected an enslaved population to beat a European superpower and win independence.

You are trying to spin because you denigrated your own ancestors and others who died fighting for freedom. You need to apologize to your ancestors for your disrespect.

The only reason you are making crazy ass statements like this is because you have taken on the side of the oppressor in this Gaza issue.

There was over 400,000 slaves in Haiti with 40,000 cac colonist on the island. The Haitians had good odds of winning. The situation isn’t comparable at all.

The odds in Haiti weren’t the same as the odds in america nor the odds Hamas faced against Israel in 2023.

I’m not on the side of Israel, I’m on the side of the least amount of human suffering

 

[Loose]

I’m not on the side of Israel, I’m on the side of the least amount of human suffering

Then you should be on the side of Palestinians because they have been suffering since 1948. They were living peacefully amongst their Jewish family member/friends before European jews came and caused issues

 

[Outlaw]

Then you should be on the side of Palestinians because they have been suffering since 1948

I am on the side of the Palestinians but I’m not on the side of Hamas. They exacerbated the suffering on October 7th

 

[Loose]

I am on the side of the Palestinians but I’m not on the side of Hamas.

Not sure what hamas have to do with israel having Palestinians in an open air prison since 1948

They exacerbated the suffering on October 7th

Zionist babble. Irrelevant convo