The Official Israel 🇮🇱 & Gaza 🇵🇸 Thread

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So because of October 7th, despite Israel going WAY BEYOND any notion of self defense, the Democrats HAD to align themselves with a country that according to Walter White, was in bed with the Republicans in an attempt to sabotage Biden's public image? Oh, and by the way, that obligation of the Democrats to stand by Israel's genocide STILL applies to this day, despite their base recoiling from this?
if a Latin American country attacked Texas, killed thousands and held hundreds in hostage, what do you think the response would be?
 

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For the rest of the audience, Trump and YahooNeta collaborating (if it happened) was only as effective as it was because of how Biden and the rest of the Democratic party bent over for Israel, stifling dissent amongst the party in the process.

With a president with the cojones to pull munitions, give way to UN sanctions, recognize Palestine, and sanction settlers in the West Bank, that would have been enough to convince an otherwise jaded base that on this topic, the Democrats were actually much better than the Republicans.

That's what you get for having a senile Zionist and spineless vice president in power... :yeshrug:
 

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Answer the question Walter White.

If Trump and YahooNeta were in cahoots to sabotage the Democrats (I'm not saying this is false)...

Why, did, the, Democrats, go, along, with, said, sabotage?????? Why the fukk would you allow your enemy and a foreign actor to successfully sink you, without any form of pushback?????

Trump is the greatest negotiator we've ever seen :blessed: God bless that beautiful, triumphant man. Bless every golden strand of hair on his head. He succeeded where others failed because he is the ultimate deal maker :blessed: That's what you're implying here.
 

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if a Latin American country attacked Texas, killed thousands and held hundreds in hostage, what do you think the response would be?

September 11 happened. Thousands were killed in a single day.

Did the United States under Dubya (for all his faults) decimate Kabul or Baghdad in response? Did we kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians including tens of thousands of children?

Even the drone strikes were mad controversial.

:unimpressed:
 

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Trump is the greatest negotiator we've ever seen :blessed: God bless that beautiful, triumphant man. Bless every golden strand of hair on his head. He succeeded where others failed because he is the ultimate deal maker :blessed: That's what you're implying here.

How would I imply this when I said the below, a few minutes ago?

I think there was a preference for Trump from their end. Because at the end of the day he is a spineless, amoral, incompetent and wicked President who is only concerned about looking good and getting the Nobel Peace Prize, and there's a lot of moneyed parties invested in the status quo that can bribe/influence him

:what:
 

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This is the 1/2 move portion from Ozy

You're just criticizing Biden.
People calling it out for what it is on Reddit. Of course, our Progressive friends at Higher Learning don't see it that way.

Dems are evil. Dems can eat shyt. Trump is the GOAT Negotiator :ahh:


You shared this which is all I’ve said. Where is the nuance in these?
 
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September 11 happened. Thousands were killed in a single day.

Did the United States under Dubya (for all his faults) decimate Kabul or Baghdad in response? Did we kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians including tens of thousands of children?

Even the drone strikes were mad controversial.

:unimpressed:
Not a one to one comparison but the War in Iraq happened because of 9/11. Some estimates say a million died because of it
 

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How would I imply this when I said the below, a few minutes ago?



:what:

Nah. Don't change up. You spent 10 pages doing otherwise.

Trump is the ultimate deal maker :blessed:Biden was ineffectual at gaining ground with regional powers in the Middle East. Trump led a master class, brought everyone to the table, and will lead us to lasting peace :blessed:
 

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This is the 1/2 move portion from Ozy



You shared this which is all I’ve said. Where is the nuance in these?

"Everyone is rightfully blaming Trump and Bibi for colluding. That was always going to happen".......then he goes on to criticize Biden. That's nuance Mastermind.

"Why were Democrats so steadfast in supporting a government that worked against them in elections".......more accusatory but again still acknowledging that Bibi fukked everyone over. That's still nuance.

Y'all in here acting like Biden failed to pressure Bibi enough and that Trump coaxed the situation just right when the reality is, Bibi REFUSED to act right until he dealt with Trump. All those posts acknowledge that. Y'all aren't :beli:
 

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Your criticisms are disingenuous. People on r/politics criticized Biden but they were alot more honest about acknowledging Trump and Bibi acted in bad faith. You're just criticizing Biden. There's zero nuance on your part. You're still being disingenuous now acting like you didn't see 1,000 upvotes about Trump & Bibi playing everybody.
He’s an idiot that thinks Arab voters were vindicated by the election of Donald J Trump and was tossing and turning at night as to whether he should vote for Kamala or Cornell west with Trump on the ballot. The only thing he is good for is taking up bandwidth on this website.
 

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Not a one to one comparison but the War in Iraq happened because of 9/11. Some estimates say a million died because of it

The War in Iraq is a massive stain on Dubya's legacy. It was initiated by a lie told at the UN that Saddam had bioweapons (his favorite negros Condoleeza and Colin ran interference for that lie). And there was no linkage between 9/11 and the Iraq War. That was just an excuse for US imperialists and Zionist adjacents to take Saddam out and go after the oil. EVEN THEN the casualties were a result of war and slow attrition, NOT deliberate bombings of civilian centers. There were IEDs going off in Baghdad... The US army didn't launch Tomahawks or drop 2000 lb bombs at civilian districts in response!

There WAS a direct linkage between 9/11 and the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan. And for all the fukked up shyt the US did, it doesn't come close to what Israel did in Gaza because the US military conducted warfare (or tried to) in coherence with the Geneva Conventions which include a stipulation that civilians are to be left untouched.

They had credible evidence Osama was in a compound in Pakistan and they didn't just drop a bomb, they put American soldiers at risk to conduct a targeted operation that minimized civilian casualties.

The closest parallels to what is happening in Gaza are not recent US operations. The closest parallels are what happened in Darfur in the early 2000s, or in Rwanda in 1994. Which are universally known as genocides. Do you see the difference, and can you stop trying to pretend that the US would commit genocide in response to an attack, despite evidence to the contrary?

You have me in here defending US military operations. I was going to go on a roll about how they could have gone even more HAM in South Vietnam. Jesus fukking Christ, how much is the devil's attorney office paying you?
 

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"Everyone is rightfully blaming Trump and Bibi for colluding. That was always going to happen".......then he goes on to criticize Biden. That's nuance Mastermind.

"Why were Democrats so steadfast in supporting a government that worked against them in elections".......more accusatory but again still acknowledging that Bibi fukked everyone over. That's still nuance.

Y'all in here acting like Biden failed to pressure Bibi enough and that Trump coaxed the situation just right when the reality is, Bibi REFUSED to act right until he dealt with Trump. All those posts acknowledge that. Y'all aren't :beli:
So you should find the post where I celebrated Trump and Bibi. You should also find the post where I disagreed about their colluding.

What I’ve said throughout, and which your on critical reading ass can’t see because you don’t want to criticize Biden and the Dems, is Biden should have publicly criticized Netenyahu and threatened him. You won’t find that because it never happened.
 
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