The Official Israel 🇮🇱 & Gaza 🇵🇸 Thread

[that guy]

Declaring anyone a winner a week less than a week after a major geopolitical event is silly.

We got rid of the USSR and were basically back at war in with Russia in a decade.

You can determine a winner and loser based on their stated objectives at the beginning of the conflict.

Israel said their goal for besieging the Gaza Strip was to eliminate Hamas. Hamas still exists. Israel lost.

 

[Conan]

A lot of the CBC is compromised by AIPAC, in opposition to the majority of their constituents and the overall black population.

Explains a lot of the juelzing and whataboutism and retardation from the Zionist contingent in this thread

 

[Ozymandeas]

Minimizing the democrats arming a right-wing extremist government to the teeth as they commit the worst genocide of the 21st century to them “not being perfect” is one of the most delusional things I’ve heard a political shill say. This is why we call you blue MAGA.

When you become an adult and realize like the rest of us have, that the world is cruel, and all you can do is make the best out of a fukked up situation, we’ll be waiting for you

 

[MAKAVELI25]

When you become an adult and realize like the rest of us have, that the world is cruel, and all you can do is make the best out of a fukked up situation, we’ll be waiting for you

This is the rationale of a party that doesn't believe in anything except winning elections, and it is one of the reasons the Dems lost in 2024 and will continue to lose unless we/they find an affirmative, rather than reactive, platform.

Dems need to ask themselves why:

• The working class no longer has a clear concept of which party would benefit them more. Dems held the working class for decades in this country, why is it that the a significant portion of that base thinks that the GOP might be a better option?
• How could so many Muslim Americans possibly think that DJT would have a better policy on Gaza than the Democratic option?

The answer to those questions cannot simply be that people are ignorant. While that may be part of the problem, it doesn’t address the larger issue or offer a solution for how Democrats can win elections moving forward—especially as Americans continue to migrate to red states, increasing their electoral influence.

 

[Loose]

Minimizing the democrats arming a right-wing extremist government to the teeth as they commit the worst genocide of the 21st century to them “not being perfect” is one of the most delusional things I’ve heard a political shill say. This is why we call you blue MAGA.

Its honestly crazy they trying to frame it as such lol. A legit murderous white ethnostate

 

[Outlaw]

This is the rationale of a party that doesn't believe in anything except winning elections, and it is one of the reasons the Dems lost in 2024 and will continue to lose unless we/they find an affirmative, rather than reactive, platform.

Dems need to ask themselves why:

• The working class no longer has a clear concept of which party would benefit them more. Dems held the working class for decades in this country, why is it that the a significant portion of that base thinks that the GOP might be a better option?
• How could so many Muslim Americans possibly think that DJT would have a better policy on Gaza than the Democratic option?

The answer to those questions cannot simply be that people are ignorant. While that may be part of the problem, it doesn’t address the larger issue or offer a solution for how Democrats can win elections moving forward—especially as Americans continue to migrate to red states, increasing their electoral influence.

Racism and misogyny. They didn’t want to vote for the Jamaican woman

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Racism and misogyny. They didn’t want to vote for the Jamaican woman

Many of these same people voted for Obama and Hilary Clinton. Hilary won Latino men in 2016.

We are not doing the Democratic Party any favors by giving them simple answers that dont address problems that they have the ability to fix.

 

[Pressure]

Many of these same people voted for Obama and Hilary Clinton. Hilary won Latino men in 2016.

We are not doing the Democratic Party any favors by giving them simple answers that dont address problems that they have the ability to fix.

The world is a very different place now.

Terms like working class and blue collar don’t represent most Americans in the ways they once did.

Instead of trying to force that framing to hold it’s time to accept the realities of modern society.

Most of these conversations feel like Dabo Sweeney complaining about the post NIL landscape.

 

[Loose]

Many of these same people voted for Obama and Hilary Clinton. Hilary won Latino men in 2016.

We are not doing the Democratic Party any favors by giving them simple answers that dont address problems that they have the ability to fix.

We have to move beyond just blaming misogyny and racism for why Democrats are losing voters. It's a lazy argument that has, frankly, diluted the deeper political shifts we've been seeing since the early 2000s. There's an entire segment of low-information voters who believe neither party represents them, so they're no longer loyal the way past generations were. And honestly, I can't blame them—I'm as hardcore as it gets, and even I can't tell you what the Democratic Party stands for anymore.

 

[88m3]

You’re defending Hamas now? You’re algorithmically corrupted just like @Loose

for a bunch of guys that say they don't support Hamas they sure do spend a lot of time defending their actions including their right to govern, commit terrorism, take civilians hostage, negotiate, and now even summarily execute their own civilians

It's time to consider that they're not arguing in good faith imho

 

[Dillah810]

 

[MAKAVELI25]

The world is a very different place now.

Terms like working class and blue collar don’t represent most Americans in the ways they once did.

Instead of trying to force that framing to hold it’s time to accept the realities of modern society.

Most of these conversations feel like Dabo Sweeney complaining about the post NIL landscape.

Ok, so what's your analysis of the current landscape and why Dems keep losing elections that most sane people think they should be running away with?

 

[88m3]

Reposting Caitlin Johnstone in the big 2025

 

[mastermind]

The world is a very different place now.

Terms like working class and blue collar don’t represent most Americans in the ways they once did.

Instead of trying to force that framing to hold it’s time to accept the realities of modern society.

Most of these conversations feel like Dabo Sweeney complaining about the post NIL landscape.

This is one of the most ghoulish things I’ve read on here. An what’s crazy is you are in
No position of power but really align as a neoliberal ghoul.

The gig economy, retail work, hospitality work, etc is fukking working class and blue collar.

 

[88m3]

Ok, so what's your analysis of the current landscape and why Dems keep losing elections that most sane people think they should be running away with?

the dying embers of the white majority are not going to be stamped out easily and unfortunately they convinced a lot of peopleI(out groups/minorities/etc) to buy in to prolong it


Americans now want fascism, single party rule, a dictatorship even