The Official Joe Budden Podcast Thread

[EzekelRAGE]

You have no idea what Spotify would’ve gotten

Neither do you. but that didnt stop you from saying "it wasnt a bad deal".
Idc to rehash the rory/mal split and I didnt mention it in my post.

Did you really just reply to me saying if they let him release on YouTube with saying if they let him release on YouTube?

No, you said there was a possibility that Joe could release on youtube with the new Spotify deal, I said it seemed to be no possibility of that happening. There's a clear difference in the two statements.

That dude isn’t reliable.

True, which is why the two examples I brought up, "spotify not showing the data that was promised" and "wanting a 360 for everything" was stuff that rory/mal/parks cosigned on that being an issue when they talked about the spotify split. If you want to say parks/mal/rory dont know what they were talking about and are also unreliable as well or were just going off Joe's word, cool


As far as the business dealings of the pod stuff like Pat/Espn, Underdog with Cam/Mase and GIl you dont have to lecture me on it, I follow it just as much as you, if not more. I got a couple posts on this site defending Gil about his deal and how he sorta negotiated the shyt himself.

He went over it on his personal pod, like a yearish ago. It was after the miko shyt, but about the miko shyt.

It was another vid where he showed the exact agreement with underdog leasing his channel. Underdog pays $1 per subscriber on there while they lease it and it(along with everything else) goes back to gil when the partnership over. He broke down the payment situation. He has a production company or something. He said UnderDog handles all expenses. Underdog pays everyone, including himself as an employee. If Josiah was getting 1.5M on the first year, you know gil gettin paid more. He said he gets paid twice. Once as the employee and again off the backend thru his production company.

The miko shyt fukked Mccants out of getting his contract renewed with everyone else, but it seems that got squared away for this season im guessing.

Funny enough in the vid he said "People think Im dumb, but when it comes to contracts, I'm very smart. I negotiated my 110M deal w/o an agent. It's one of the biggest NBA deals ever negotiated w/o an agent. I also negotiated my deal with underdog". He then backs up everything he said in da vid.
He broke down his contract and showed messages backing up all his shyt. He showed back and forths with underdog ppl. Where he is leasing his channel and underdog pays $1 per sub. 50/50 revenue split, has the rights to create more shows (which is probably how Cam is creating shows), He bout to give Kenyon Martin his own show. About to give Brandon Jennings his own show with Shaq son. Got underdog footing the bill for catering and using his house to shoot etc.

I said this 2 years ago about joe and thye 360 deal:

I know Joe said Spotfiy offered 20-30M, that seems low. He also said they wanted whatever parks/mal/rory made as a 360 deal. I think he telling a half truth here, to make himself look good. Spotfiy probably just wanted first right to refusal to w/e anyone of the pod made. Meaning if they create a show and Spotify thinks it good, they have the right to put it on there. If not the talent can shop the deal elsewhere. But the deal wouldnt be a 360, it would mimic the terms of the main show. It's the same stuff these streamers do with overall deals with writers/directors.

 

[Sackballions]

20 mill a year......thats got to hurt Mal

It pains him!

 

[threattonature]

Did you really just reply to me saying if they let him release on YouTube with saying if they let him release on YouTube? Also, please stop letting Joe Budden explain business shyt to you lol. That dude isn’t reliable. You have no idea what Spotify would’ve gotten. And if Spotify did have their hands in it - he would’ve gotten paid more money for it. Spotify has been losing money on podcasts. Rory and Mal left because Joe didn’t want to give them equity pay outs as promised because he thought that would be too costly. This is after he walked away from the Spotify deal would’ve given them all guaranteed money so it wouldn’t be his problem. It’s common in business to give people equity in lieu of a higher salary starting out. New companies often do that. He realized that it would be easier to control costs if they were on salary than equity and tried to renegotiate which caused the problems. Despite losing them, he was able to then keep more of the money and invest in other ways.


He tried to make them seem greedy but he basically agreed to pay them in sweat equity and then refused to do accounting when asked and dared them to sue over it, which they didn’t. The show is “better” now because Joe was willing to burn that bridge for his financial benefit in the short term and then when he reached a certain level income - he was able to add new people to continue to gain subscribers and to stop from losing them and also to justify different prices tiers. It’s good business but not any different than what anyone else on patreon does. His business is successful because he’s the de facto hip hop podcast. Cam and Mase’s deal like most deals of they nature has a guaranteed base salary and then you make more for hitting certain metrics. It could be something like they get 35 percent of all money Underdog gets after generating X amount of revenue off their show (I.e. after they get their money back).

Someone like Pat for example, ESPN covers the costs of running his show and salary and then there are going to be specific metrics. Point being - Budden bet on himself and it worked out but by and large, people with Spotify deals make more guaranteed money than people going the independent route. People who stay on that route do it because the sponsors they get allow them to make bread that they’re satisfied with on top of whatever splits they get from YouTube, etc.

The funny thing about people hyping Joe up is that a bunch of us were saying he should do all the shyt he's doing now way back before the Spotify split happened. We were saying how Joe was limiting is negotiation ability by not being willing to do ads. He was deadset that he didn't want to ruin the listener's viewing experience only to eventually add ads that were explicit and others that were integrated into the show as content. We all mentioned he should explore going the Patreon route. We mentioned adding mroe behind the scenes clips to charge extra for. And Joe called everyone dummies for suggesting those things only to rebrand himself as a genius for doing what many were suggesting a long time ago.

And even funnier that all the shyt Joe accused Spotify of and called them evil for he's turned around and tried to do to his own staff.

 

[No1]

The funny thing about people hyping Joe up is that a bunch of us were saying he should do all the shyt he's doing now way back before the Spotify split happened. We were saying how Joe was limiting is negotiation ability by not being willing to do ads. He was deadset that he didn't want to ruin the listener's viewing experience only to eventually add ads that were explicit and others that were integrated into the show as content. We all mentioned he should explore going the Patreon route. We mentioned adding mroe behind the scenes clips to charge extra for. And Joe called everyone dummies for suggesting those things only to rebrand himself as a genius for doing what many were suggesting a long time ago.

And even funnier that all the shyt Joe accused Spotify of and called them evil for he's turned around and tried to do to his own staff.

Basically he fukked up and then did what the viewers asked him for and got the money he would’ve been getting all along and then got this puff piece put out lmao. And the real reason for that is precisely because he’s trying to raise his value for future bidding wars including negotiating a higher payout with Patreon itself.

 

[Moesha’s Overbearing Dad]

Ice not being familiar with The Cosby Show seems right on brand for him... Dude is a certified bozo

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

I can't stand this man.....

Shout to Marc, imma still follow you in your future endeavours.

But this pod bout to be even more unbearable then it already was...

Here's the script
-20 min dogpile on Mel
-45 minute deep dive/glaze on Joe n Ian
-PRIIIIIIZEPIIIII....STFU
-60 mins of gender wars
-Flip crash out

This shyt just sucks now.

Shoutout to the Ill Name this Podcast Later gang... Been listening since 2016.. peak pod was wife beater Joe, Hennypalooza Rory Lanes and Mal when he first showed up. That 2017-2019 run is forever goated.

But this is Power Season 5 levels of cheeks these days.. and maybe I'm just too old to give a fukk about other people's pockets, or cheating n strippers and gender wars as if this is the he-man woman haters club smh

then stop listening

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

It wasn’t a bad deal. The 2 for 44 million is more annually than what they just managed to gross. And he had to work a lot harder to get there. If they let him keep his content on YouTube (or release is there later) - he would’ve taken it. There would’ve been nothing stopping him from creating his own network while having the Spotify deal.

it was cause they wanted to put him in a 360 and wanted to damn near own everything

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

Ice not being familiar with The Cosby Show seems right on brand for him... Dude is a certified bozo

you would think he'd know cause he was always inside

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

Brandon and Mal having a lovers quarrel going on a decade is insane I can tell from Gil’s Arena Brandon is a sensitive dude

mr b is very sensitive lmao nikka crash out everytim someone call his bluff
thats why he duckin the 2v2 and the 1v1

 

[5n0man]

it was cause they wanted to put him in a 360 and wanted to damn near own everything

Thats not true

Spotify wanted the right to put ads on the podcast so they could generate money. Joe was double dipping on YouTube WITH ads while not allowing ads on Spotify, so he was getting a check from Spotify but YouTube made more money from the podcast.

 

[tay1]

It wasn’t a bad deal. The 2 for 44 million is more annually than what they just managed to gross. And he had to work a lot harder to get there. If they let him keep his content on YouTube (or release is there later) - he would’ve taken it. There would’ve been nothing stopping him from creating his own network while having the Spotify deal.

They already spoken on how the deal was bad. Owning your own is better than what they would’ve had to give up.

 

[tay1]

The irony is with this move joe is in the best position to get a Joe Rogan type deal now more than ever. Very easy for him to leverage all his potential partnerships with his patreon subs + youtube and turn that into a 100 mill offer. If thats the route he was willing to go

Not sure who’s still reall giving out those type of deals though

Those deals aren't happening anymore because the money isn't there for podcasting like that.

 

[5n0man]

They already spoken on how the deal was bad. Owning your own is better than what they would’ve had to give up.

Ownership was never on the table. Joe framed Spotify wanting control over ads during the deal as them trying to claim ownership of his podcast.

You think Spotify really offer Joe a 2 year contract in exchange for permanent ownership of the podcast?

 

[tay1]

Ownership was never on the table. Joe framed Spotify wanting control over ads during the deal as them trying to claim ownership of his podcast.

You think Spotify really offer Joe a 2 year contract in exchange for permanent ownership of the podcast?

Rory himself said they wanted parts of Dusse Palooza after the fact. It was a 360 type deal.

 

[tay1]

At the end of the day. Joe can easily do this for another 10 years.

Grossing $100 mill off of yapping with your friends on a couch is insane. Life really works out well for some people.