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[The Infamous]

. is english not your first language? why do you think I put quotation marks around the word controversial.Doesnt matter what you or I think/thought when the results were announced the fans werent in concert with what was read, its that simple

No. The general consensus amongst MMA fans is that he has had 1 controversial win.

Yeah so full of shyt I provided you with the source material to go check it yourself. That makes sense .

What source material? I have never had someone tell me to pull up evidence for their argument. That makes no sense, you fukking clown. Your point would only be valid if you posted proof, which you told me to do? WTF lol

Seems like you are just arguing for arguing sake now.Fact of the matter is he didnt help and edgar was a better draw.Proof is in the pudding

No. Bendo and Edgar are both equally mediocre draws. Bendo vs. Pettis II did better PPV numbers than Edgar vs. Maynard III, which had two title fights and was a stacked card. The proof says your wrong breh.

 

[Screwface Exchange]

LW is a shark tank and is up there with WW as the deepest division in MMA, there are going to be close fights. And how does close fights indicate anything negative about a fighter? Awful argument. When has Dana criticized Bendo? I need links, I don't remember him talking bad about Bendo. Low PPV sales is more about the division, rather than Bendo. It's pretty common knowledge that LW other than BJ is not a draw.

Look at Barao. He's very exciting and a top P4P fighter, yet if he headlines a card it would do very low numbers. The casual fans have very little interest in anything below 170, which is fukking sad. The casual fan is very fixed on size, they would rather watch two mediocre HWs brawl than watch Barao put on a clinic.

Has nothing to do with the size, its about the casual fan doesnt know jack about half da fighters in the lower tiers. So its harder to draw a fan with no rooting interest. While a guy like faber has been around a long time in ufc and wec and has a strong following. He is one of the few light weight fighters who can draw decent numbers.

As many pundits had said, when Dana added the flyweights, and gave it the The ultimate fighter experience it was all to lead to introducing John Dodson to the fans and crown em as new champ and will draw fans with him. Only problem was a guy named mighty mouse. The reason why they keep having so many lighter weights on the tv show is to help get the fans involved emotionally with the fighters and hopefully as they rise thru the ranks the fans/ppv numbers follow. Problem is, lately these guys have str8 up sucked. and once trust into the UFC they takin straight L's, like a Uriah Hall.

ps when i say fans, im mostly talking about the casual ufc fan, and not the real tru mma fans.

 

[Roman Brady]

No. The general consensus amongst MMA fans is that he has had 1 controversial win.

Its replies like this that indicates I am just debating with a joke that would rather argue with a wall than admit wrong. The moment u use general consensus and mma fans who are talkin about every tom dikk and harry.I dont know how anyone that has access to the internet can say said ppl only think bendo had 1 controversial win.They cried robbery for 3.

You seem confused about this so let me come at u another way, would u admit that ufc fans were split over the gus/jones fight and that was to many seen as "controversial"

What source material? I have never had someone tell me to pull up evidence for their argument. That makes no sense, you fukking clown. Your point would only be valid if you posted proof, which you told me to do? WTF lol

So now you cant read? I dont care what neckbeards u usually spare with I dont adhere to any e-debate etiquette. I cited a quote, you asked for the source material.I gave you directions, you chose not to use them what is there to still talk about?

No. Bendo and Edgar are both equally mediocre draws. Bendo vs. Pettis II did better PPV numbers than Edgar vs. Maynard III, which had two title fights and was a stacked card. The proof says your wrong breh.

edgar v penn-570k, edgar v aldo-330k, Edgard v maynard 2-270k, Edgar v Maynard 3-225k

edgar v bendo-375k, Edgar v bendo2-190k, Bendo v pettis 2-??

We havent even seen the numbers bendo has pulled without edgar being co-headliner.We are just getting sketchy reports it did north of 280

 

[The Infamous]

Its replies like this that indicates I am just debating with a joke that would rather argue with a wall than admit wrong. The moment u use general consensus and mma fans who are talkin about every tom dikk and harry.I dont know how anyone that has access to the internet can say said ppl only think bendo had 1 controversial win.They cried robbery for 3.

You seem confused about this so let me come at u another way, would u admit that ufc fans were split over the gus/jones fight and that was to many seen as "controversial"

Let me re-word that, most avid MMA fans agree that only 1 of those fights was a 'robbery'. Of course, there were a few select fans who believed that Melendez/Bendo was a robbery, but a close fight is not a robbery. Do people even know what that word means?

And again, why does it even matter if Bendo had a few close fights. Does that make him any less of a fighter? No.

So now you cant read? I dont care what neckbeards u usually spare with I dont adhere to any e-debate etiquette. I cited a quote, you asked for the source material.I gave you directions, you chose not to use them what is there to still talk about?

I'm not going to write an essay and then ask my professor to find proof for my claims. You're a fukking clown for this. My example is of course not in a debate, but the point still stands.

edgar v penn-570k, edgar v aldo-330k, Edgard v maynard 2-270k, Edgar v Maynard 3-225k

edgar v bendo-375k, Edgar v bendo2-190k, Bendo v pettis 2-??

We havent even seen the numbers bendo has pulled without edgar being co-headliner.We are just getting sketchy reports it did north of 280

You're seriously going to use Edgar/Penn as proof? Those numbers had almost nothing to do with Edgar. Even Edgar/Aldo, Aldo was the main attraction on a stacked card. Use the Edgar vs. Maynard II and III cards as examples because Edgar was the main attraction on those cards and thus the PPV numbers are based almost solely on his drawing power. Overall, Bendo/Edgar have about the same drawing power, maybe a slight edge to Edgar, but it's minimal at best. There is no further argument in this.

 

[The G.O.D II]

You two still at it

 

[puppetmaster]

http://www.mmamania.com/2013/10/4/4...orges-st-pierre-johny-hendricks-same-time-mma


Condit kicking his ass back to reality can't come soon enough



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[bsmooth]

UFC 164, headlined by Benson Henderson’s lightweight title loss to Anthony Pettis, is currently estimated at doing 270,000 buys based on a variety of sources. The number is an estimated 42 percent increase from the 190,000 estimate for Henderson’s previous pay-per-view main event, at UFC 150 in Denver, against Frankie Edgar.

Bellator tonight, debuts of Cheick Kongo and Lavar Johnson

 

[Roman Brady]

And again, why does it even matter if Bendo had a few close fights. Does that make him any less of a fighter? No

He was known as a champion that eeked out wins, whatever our opinion was that was the general consensus.But I am starting to get a read on the redundancy here

Here are the quickest links I could find dana walks a fine line but he stays in promoter mode.

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7mZqHU9SqCIAby5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMTg3bHAzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1ZJUDMyMF8x/SIG=13bb7jilr/EXP=1380945386/**http://fightnetwork.com/news/38004:video-ufc-on-fox-7-dana-white-post-show-interview/

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7kmpIk9SH38AUFpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzcWhxaTI1BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1ZJUDMyMF8x/SIG=138c8vq3l/EXP=1380946729/**http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/8/12/3237607/dana-white-ufc-150-post-fight-interview. And as for trying to pretend his style isnt a sore point with the mass ufc populace

Benson Henderson defends style, lack of finishes

Benson Henderson is a perfect 7-0 inside the UFC octagon and has defended his UFC title three times, but has yet to finish an opponent, having won all seven of his UFC bouts by decision. Fans and media have criticized him for not finishing fights, however according to him at least, winning is the only thing that matters:.

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"If a guy walks into the cage and slips on a banana peel and I get a win, I'll take the win," Henderson said on Thursday..

"What it all boils down to is getting your hand raised. Whether you do it impressively, emphatically, whether you do it by split decision or whatever the case may be," he said.

Just what a consumer wants to hear in this economy

You're seriously going to use Edgar/Penn as proof? Those numbers had almost nothing to do with Edgar..

Thats not the argument but that fight enabled him to pull respectible numbers as a headliner.To dispute that would just make u look more silly than u already seem.

Even Edgar/Aldo, Aldo was the main attraction on a stacked card.

In the 2 cards aldo headlined outside the edgar fight he pulled 170k and 235k so to now make out aldo is some star that pushes units is just, stop it

 

[Roman Brady]

Bellator tonight, debuts of Cheick Kongo and Lavar Johnson

looks like we are going to see some turrble mma folks



ps It was already reported last week by some site it did 290 or something but if its not on wiki its not legit as far as i'm concerned

 

[The Infamous]

Here are the quickest links I could find dana walks a fine line but he stays in promoter mode.

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7mZqHU9SqCIAby5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMTg3bHAzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1ZJUDMyMF8x/SIG=13bb7jilr/EXP=1380945386/**http://fightnetwork.com/news/38004:video-ufc-on-fox-7-dana-white-post-show-interview/

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7kmpIk9SH38AUFpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzcWhxaTI1BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1ZJUDMyMF8x/SIG=138c8vq3l/EXP=1380946729/**http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/8/12/3237607/dana-white-ufc-150-post-fight-interview. And as for trying to pretend his style isnt a sore point with the mass ufc populace

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Just what a consumer wants to hear in this economy
Thats not the argument but that fight enabled him to pull respectible numbers as a headliner.To dispute that would just make u look more silly than u already seem.
In the 2 cards aldo headlined outside the edgar fight he pulled 170k and 235k so to now make out aldo is some star that pushes units is just, stop it

Second link doesn't work. The first video, Dana says he's been in close fights and very slightly criticizes him, Melendez and Mir for not going berserk in the last round. That's it? All that talk of Dana criticizing Bendo and that's the best you could come up with? A very small bit of criticism, which was ultimately aimed at 3 fighters.

Bendo's right, it's a sport, your goal is to win, not entertain. And he's pretty entertaining so it's whatever.

In the 200k range is not respectable. The Aldo/Edgar fight was the closest we've gotten as of late to a 'superfight'. Of course, it will pull decent numbers. If Bendo were to fight Aldo right now, it would pull very similar numbers.

 

[Propaganda]

http://www.mmamania.com/2013/10/4/4...orges-st-pierre-johny-hendricks-same-time-mma


Condit kicking his ass back to reality can't come soon enough



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i think he's lucky as fukk to even get that fight. should be fun but condit's better than him everywhere. dude's been talking crazy shyt since he got that last win, i swear i even read he said he's a better wrestler than gsp.

 

[The Infamous]

Has nothing to do with the size, its about the casual fan doesnt know jack about half da fighters in the lower tiers. So its harder to draw a fan with no rooting interest. While a guy like faber has been around a long time in ufc and wec and has a strong following. He is one of the few light weight fighters who can draw decent numbers.

As many pundits had said, when Dana added the flyweights, and gave it the The ultimate fighter experience it was all to lead to introducing John Dodson to the fans and crown em as new champ and will draw fans with him. Only problem was a guy named mighty mouse. The reason why they keep having so many lighter weights on the tv show is to help get the fans involved emotionally with the fighters and hopefully as they rise thru the ranks the fans/ppv numbers follow. Problem is, lately these guys have str8 up sucked. and once trust into the UFC they takin straight L's, like a Uriah Hall.

ps when i say fans, im mostly talking about the casual ufc fan, and not the real tru mma fans.

The LW division in the UFC has been around for a long time and they still struggle to pull in numbers. Even though, it's arguably the most exciting and deepest division the organization has to offer. I do understand where you're coming from though. Lack of knowledge for the lower weight fighters is a reason for the lack of popularity. But, at the end of the day, size is a bigger factor for low PPV or TV numbers. Most casuals want to see almost super-hero like figures in the octagon.

The lighter weight guys have sucked? What have you been watching? I don't think it's been the fights The LW and FW division are both exciting as fukk. Even the BW and FLW divisions have their great share of exciting fighters. Look at the UFC's top 10 BW, at least 8 of them are exciting [Barao, Faber, McDonald, Mizugaki, Wineland, Jorgenson, Pickett, Dillashaw, etc]. Even FLW, although not as good as BW, LW, and FW has top-level exciting fighters like Dodson, Benavidez, McCall, Moraga, Lineker, etc. But, overall, it is still a semi-weak link in the lighter weight classes [speaking about the FLWs].

 

[puppetmaster]

i think he's lucky as fukk to even get that fight. should be fun but condit's better than him everywhere. dude's been talking crazy shyt since he got that last win, i swear i even read he said he's a better wrestler than gsp.

I heard that too. I get talking yourself into a fight but geez. Be semi realistic.




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[Roman Brady]

Second link doesn't work.

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7nn8Xk9ShCAAphxXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMTg3bHAzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1ZJUDMyMF8x/SIG=12vvd9803/EXP=1380962172/**http://www.fightofthenight.com/news/dana-white-ufc-150-post-fight-interview

The first video, Dana says he's been in close fights and very slightly criticizes him,

you are getting the argument muddled this wasnt the vid where he says "its another ben henderson fight".I produced these in short to display that even he cant deny bendo's perception with fans and what his reign will be remembered as.

In the 200k range is not respectable.

in this climate and for a division below 170lbs?

The Aldo/Edgar fight was the closest we've gotten as of late to a 'superfight'. Of course, it will pull decent numbers. If Bendo were to fight Aldo right now, it would pull very similar numbers.

And what do you have to show for this?once he beat edgar we saw the significant dropoff in the rematch with him now as champion.Headlined multiple fox cards and couldnt crack 300k but u are going to give him the credit if a rematch with pettis (who along with edgar gave him his biggest spike) does numbers?

 

[Screwface Exchange]

Only problem was a guy named mighty mouse. The reason why they keep having so many lighter weights on the tv show is to help get the fans involved emotionally with the fighters and hopefully as they rise thru the ranks the fans/ppv numbers follow. Problem is, lately these guys have str8 up sucked. and once trust into the UFC they takin straight L's, like a Uriah Hall.

ps when i say fans, im mostly talking about the casual ufc fan, and not the real tru mma fans.

The lighter weight guys have sucked? What have you been watching? I don't think it's been the fights The LW and FW division are both exciting as fukk. Even the BW and FLW divisions have their great share of exciting fighters. Look at the UFC's top 10 BW, at least 8 of them are exciting [Barao, Faber, McDonald, Mizugaki, Wineland, Jorgenson, Pickett, Dillashaw, etc]. Even FLW, although not as good as BW, LW, and FW has top-level exciting fighters like Dodson, Benavidez, McCall, Moraga, Lineker, etc. But, overall, it is still a semi-weak link in the lighter weight classes [speaking about the FLWs].

Go back and read my quote @meelad92, you were too excited to jump on my statement and misread it. The sucked line was in reference to the fights on the tv show, as in The Ultimate Fighter. Hence, why i referenced Uriah Hall right after.

UFC makes a lot of money thru ppv buys and sponsorship deals on these events. Casual fans see a fight on tv, and get to watch the guys every wk grow and develop as a fighter, and then hopefully as they rise the ranks of the UFC these fans buy in to the ppv to watch these fighters contend. That strategy worked with Forrest, Diego Sanchez, Rashad, Florian, koscheck etc, probably is, the last 2 or 3 ultimate fighter shows, the fighters are not succeeding after the show. Whether its due to talent level or whateva, and that is the reason why the lower weight classes are not pulling in top box office numbers.