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[The Infamous]

Perhaps. I still think that Mark Hunt was better during his prime days in Pride, but yeah.

Stop, Hunt had a career resurgence in the UFC and has looked as good, if not better than he has ever had in MMA.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Stop, Hunt had a career resurgence in the UFC and has looked better than he has ever had in MMA.

Even if Hunt were at the prime of his career now, it still doesn't really change the fact that Cain is still a better striker than JDS.

 

[The Infamous]

Okay, for the millionth time, Cain demonstrated better striking twice against this guy. The guy who could turn around and face down other good strikers that aren't Cain Velasquez. Considering Cain's well-rounded, high pressure striking style, it wouldn't be a far stretch to assume that Cain could and would dominate those other guys to a more dominant degree.

Yes, and JDS has out-striked and KO'd Cain once. Plus, he has dropped and out-striked the likes of Werdum [was KO'd], Hunt [was KO'd], Carwin [inches away from getting finished], Cro Cop [was finished], and dropping the iron-chinned Nelson multiple times is very tough task. Overall, he's accomplished more than Cain has with his striking. I highly doubt Cain out-strikes and finishes [KO via strikes, not GnP] all of the aforementioned fighters

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Yes, and JDS has out-striked and KO'd Cain once. Plus, he has dropped and out-striked the likes of Werdum [was KO'd], Hunt [was KO'd], Carwin [inches away from getting finished], Cro Cop [was finished], and dropping the iron-chinned Nelson multiple times is very tough task. Overall, he's accomplished more than Cain has with his striking. I highly doubt Cain out-strikes and finishes [KO via strikes, not GnP] all of the aforementioned fighters

What you're talking about is PURE speculation at this point. The only thing we have to go off of really is how they did when pitted against one another. Cain outclassed JDS. Yet you're still pointing to his other fights, as if they matter, and saying, "Bu-bu-bu-bu-but his other fights he did better than those other guys!!" Well that's all well and good for JDS, but it doesn't matter then you face the best in the division and get your ass whooped in every possible way.

 

[The Infamous]

What you're talking about is PURE speculation at this point. The only thing we have to go off of really is how they did when pitted against one another. Cain outclassed JDS. Yet you're still pointing to his other fights, as if they matter, and saying, "Bu-bu-bu-bu-but his other fights he did better than those other guys!!" Well that's all well and good for JDS, but it doesn't matter then you face the best in the division and get your ass whooped in every possible way.

JDS has out-striked and dropped [and often time has KO'd] better strikers than Cain has. That's fact, not speculation.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

JDS has out-striked and dropped [and often time has KO'd] better strikers than Cain has. That's fact, not speculation.

And Cain hasn't faced those other strikers yet, so you don't know how he'd do in contrast, but considering that Cain completely dominated JDS, it's safer to assume that he'd do better than worse. You don't win future fights off of your past wins. JDS isn't gonna prove he's a better striker than Cain by showing him his resume. He's gotta actually out strike him, JDS wasn't able to do that, therefore he's not as good of a striker because he got so outclassed.

 

[The Infamous]

And Cain hasn't faced those other strikers yet, so you don't know how he'd do in contrast, but considering that Cain completely dominated JDS, it's safer to assume that he'd do better than worse. You don't win future fights off of your past wins. JDS isn't gonna prove he's a better striker than Cain by showing him his resume. He's gotta actually out strike him, JDS wasn't able to do that, therefore he's not as good of a striker because he got so outclassed.

My point still stands.

At the bolded, so the first fight never happened?

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

My point still stands.

At the bolded, so the first fight never happened.

One punch in the first fight doesn't negate Cain's progress in the second two. Nearly fifty full minutes (and a finish!) of being thoroughly beaten by the better man, and you still think he's the better striker because of the first fight in the set of three.

 

[The Infamous]

One punch in the first fight doesn't negate Cain's progress in the second two. Nearly fifty full minutes (and a finish!) of being thoroughly beaten by the better man, and you still think he's the better striker because of the first fight in the set of three.

The fact of the matter is that he got out-striked and brutally KO'd in the first.

At bolded, I see your reading comprehension still needs work.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

The fact of the matter is that he got out-striked and brutally KO'd in the first.

At bolded, I see your reading comprehension still needs work.

You really think the first fight would still matter after the second two? I'm going off of the most recent and relevant results, breh. Seeing JDS get brutalized by a superior striker in Cain in the second two fights calls the jury in. When you look at these fights in their totality, JDS just couldn't deliver a consistent dominant performance that he would need to give to make the case for himself that would suggest that he's the superior striker. Just the one punch in their first fight, followed by nearly 50 minutes of being brutally beaten thereafter.

 

[The Infamous]

Machida at 192 lbs.

 

[The Infamous]

You really think the first fight would still matter after the second two? I'm going off of the most recent and relevant results, breh. Seeing JDS get brutalized by a superior striker in Cain in the second two fights calls the jury in. When you look at these fights in their totality, JDS just couldn't deliver a consistent dominant performance that he would need to give to make the case for himself that would suggest that he's the superior striker. Just the one punch in their first fight, followed by nearly 50 minutes of being brutally beaten thereafter.

You need to look at their careers in 'totality'.

Of course the first fight matters. Are you serious breh?

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

You need to look at their careers in 'totality'.

Of course the first fight matters. Are you serious breh?

I'm looking at the most important part: When they faced each other. Not the first fluke of a fight or fights against other guys that don't matter nearly as much. The most recent two fights they had showed Cain exhibiting superior striking, hence JDS getting that ass whooped.

 

[charknicks]

Good weekend for MMA coming up. 4 different shows coming on TV this weekend:

BELLATOR 105: AWAD VS. BROOKS II
Date: October 25, 2013
Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico
Broadcast: Spike TV
MAIN CARD (Spike TV, 9 p.m. ET)

• Saad Awad vs. Will Brooks - lightweight tourney semifinal
• Alexander Sarnavskiy vs. Ricardo Tirloni - lightweight tourney semifinal
• Siala-Mou Siliga vs. Ron Sparks
• Eugene Fadiora vs. Andreas Spang

RFA 10: RHODES VS. JOUBAN
Date: October 25, 2013
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
Broadcast: AXS TV

MAIN CARD (AXS TV, 10 p.m. ET)

• Alan Jouban vs. Mike Rhodes
• Justin Lawrence vs. Luis Saldana
• Emanuel Brooks vs. Johnny Case
• Michael McBride vs. Emmanuel Sanchez
• Jeff Bates vs. Cory Galloway
• Miles Marshall vs. Jordan Sanford

UFC FIGHT NIGHT 30: MACHIDA VS. MUNOZ
Date: October 26, 2013
Location: Manchester, England
Broadcast: FOX Sports 2

MAIN CARD (FOX Sports 2, 3 p.m. ET)

• Lyoto Machida vs. Mark Munoz
• Melvin Guillard vs. Ross Pearson
• Ryan Jimmo vs. Jimi Manuwa
• Norman Parke vs. Jon Tuck
• Nicholas Musoke vs. Alessio Sakara
• Phil Harris vs. John Lineker

WORLD SERIES OF FIGHTING 6: BURKMAN VS. CARL
Date: October 26, 2013
Location: Coral Gables, Florida
Broadcast: NBC Sports Network

MAIN CARD (NBC Sports Network, 9 p.m. ET)

• Josh Burkman vs. Steve Carl - for inaugural welterweight title
• Carson Beebe vs. Marlon Moraes
• Marcelo Alfaya vs. Jon Fitch
• Justin Gaethje vs. Dan Lauzon

By the way, if you have Uverse, Fox Sports 2 is now in HD, just in time for this card.

 

[The Infamous]

I'm looking at the most important part: When they faced each other. Not the first fluke of a fight or fights against other guys that don't matter nearly as much. The most recent two fights they had showed Cain exhibiting superior striking, hence JDS getting that ass whooped.

Wow. Fluke? Not even remotely true. Either way, I'm not even going to bother.