It's true I've been hating (with reason), but Graf was a better player, in my opinion. This is the WOAT era for women's tennis and Graf's dominance was unreal. I know most in this thread never saw her play though.
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muzikfrk75
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*The Monica Seles stabbing changed everything.
Without question. She coulda been the GOAT. As it stands though, it's Steffi.
I still remember that like yesterday and it was almost 25 years ago.
muzikfrk75
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Without question. She coulda been the GOAT. As it stands though, it's Steffi.
I still remember that like yesterday and it was almost 25 years ago.
Yeah I'm too...I was like "wait, someone stabbed Seles because he was a Steffi fan?"
that shyt still doesn't make any sense
Black Bolt
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I saw her play,Serena's objectively better & played tougher comp. Graf played in truly the WOAT era, made conclusive by Seles' stabbing, which left mights of ASV, Conchita Martinez, Novotna amongst others as rivals...
Comparitively Serena's rivals include Venus, Henin, Clijsters, Mauresmo, Capriati, Hingis, Mauresmo, Azarenka, Sharapova, Kvitova, Wozniaki amongst others. She has two Seena Slams in two distinct eras. She's the GOAT female athlete, tonight's fukkery doesn't diminish the last 15 seasons
muzikfrk75
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Meanwhile, watching this match...random thought: I wonder if Tiger tried to holla at Wozniacki....you know he loves blondes 
Nonsense. Serena had this resurgence late in her career because the comp is absolute dogshyt the past 4-5 years. The top ten rankings are drastically different each year because it's Serena and everybody else.
Steffi won her 22 Grand Slams in 12 year stretch and all but one between '87-96. Serena won hers over 17 years. Steffi has WAY more weeks at #1 and three of the top eight #1 streaks, while Serena has that one at the top with her, which not coincidentally is during this WOAT period.
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Black Bolt
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You criticise & penalise Serena with the same metric you exalt Graf, that's inconsistent. Graf's entire career was vs relative scrubs, Seles used to get in that ass so bad Gunther had to stab her. I want you to list Graf's Top 10 comp next to Serena and write with a straight face that Graf had it harder...
Serena played against way more HoFs and always dominated. 2002 Serena Slam, 2015 Serena Slam 2. Best serve, ROS, ground strokes, athleticism and mental strength. She, and Venus to some extent, set the blueprint for modern tennis and players are still trying to adapt to this very day. Let's just agree to disagree.
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malbaker86
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Act as of Serena hadn't missed TEN Grand Slam events during her career which occurred during her peak years
Jaylen Tatum
Veteran
Loses to nobody Vinci, crumbled under pressure.
Loses in AO final for first time making like 60 unforced errors.
Loses in French Open final for first time in straight sets.
Lost at the Olympics to some nobody with an injury.
Lost here to someone who had never previously made it past the 3rd round of a slam, also citing an injury.
And now turns 35 after losing her last 2 matches both with injury. I think this is it for her, it's coming to an end, either Wimby 2016 was her swansong or she'll win one more and retire on 23.
Who are all these HOFs Serena competed against during her career? We gonna act like Graf didn't win all four majors plus Olympic Gold in '88? She won 3/4 majors in five different seasons.
Justine Henin was probably the best player during Serena's career and she retired while she was the #1 ranked player. Venus is third and she hasn't won a major since '08.
Graf pushed Navratilova and Chris Evert to retirement. She was still winning GS titles while Seles was dominating too. She kept beating the same people during her run like Sabatini, Vicario and Novotna. If it wasn't for Graf, Vicario would probably have 10-15 GS titles.
Yeah, we'll agree to disagree.
Breh, Graf's career was basically over at 28 because of injuries.
21 of them in a 9 year stretch. Serena has a gap from '03-08 with very little. Her resurgence came during this down period for women's tennis. That's the point I'm trying to make.So 22 in 12 years = Strong Era
So 22 in 17 years = Weak Era
Who are all these HOFs Serena competed against during her career? We gonna act like Graf didn't win all four majors plus Olympic Gold in '88? She won 3/4 majors in five different seasons.
Justine Henin was probably the best player during Serena's career and she retired while she was the #1 ranked player. Venus is third and she hasn't won a major since '08.
Graf pushed Navratilova and Chris Evert to retirement. She was still winning GS titles while Seles was dominating too. She kept beating the same people during her run like Sabatini, Vicario and Novotna. If it wasn't for Graf, Vicario would probably have 10-15 GS titles.
Yeah, we'll agree to disagree.
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If it wasn't for Serena, Dopeapova would have 10-15 GS titles
