The Official Tennis Thread

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"Fed had no rivals in his prime"

Because he destroyed everyone in his prime

And everyone conveniently forgets Wimbledon and US Open slowing down the courts so other Tennis players could have a chance against Federer

exactly.

Lots of "delusional" people out there including the International Tennis Federation itself.

"US Open director says courts were purposely slowed down this year
Sep 5, 2018

NEW YORK -- Roger Federer called this "the slowest US Open we've seen in years.''

Turns out that was no accident.

US Open tournament director David Brewer said Wednesday night that the Grand Slam event's hard courts were purposely slowed down "a touch'' in response to players noting in recent years that the surface seemed to be speeding up."

Open courts altered to slow surface speed

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"WIMBLEDON
RAONIC ATTEMPTS TO EXPLAIN WHY WIMBLEDON'S GRASSCOURTS ARE SLOWER
They keep the grass a bit longer and it's softer, so obviously that's going to slow down a ball in its own right," said Raonic.
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Raonic attempts to explain why Wimbledon's grasscourts are slower | Tennis.com

"I think the [new] surface is a little bit too slow," he [Federer] said. "Everything is already slowing down. Everybody's already complaining that we're playing too much from the baseline. So we'll only see more of that here in Australia, that's for sure."

On the surface, Australian Open gets a new bounce (Published 2008)

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"The International Tennis Federation has stepped in to counter the power serves of the men's game by introducing three types of balls to be used according to the pace of the surface."

"The introduction of the different balls will slow down the power and speed of serves on hard courts, but speed up the game on slow surfaces, such as clay.

The ITF said the larger type 3 ball flies off the racket at the same speed as a standard ball, but will slow down during flight to give the receiver about 10 percent more reaction time.

It's report said during two years of experimentation, including testing at Davis Cup and Fed Cup ties and men's professional events, the larger ball improved accuracy, allowed for longer rallies at all levels of play and increased ball visibility for players and spectators."

ITF introduces three types of balls to counter power game

etc

this cannot happen anymore



this cannot happen anymore



even Fed was defanged by this

 

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Novak in my opinion. Fed has a LOT of stans in tennis, way more than Nadal and Joker which has propped him some in the GOAT discussion as I think both Nadal and Joker have surpassed him but again people love Feds game (me included). Feds prime was filled with a lot of serve and volley players and Fed took advantage of it until everyone else improved their baseline play. Fed only added 4 more GS in the last 10 years.

fed ... nadal slowed him down.. nadal ... joker slowed him down .. joker ... only had an aged fed an aged and injured nadal to slow him down.

no proper challenge.

plus joker had slower courts which helped him and hindered federer.

it's a pretty simple chain of events to follow.

 

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They arent too far off if you removed their most successful slams

Federer - 12 (No Wimbledon)
Djokovic - 11 (no AO)
Nadal - 8 (no FO)

to understand the effect wouldn't it be better to add back in the losses of others in those removed slams.
so how many more FO's do the others gain and vice-versa.
nadal's aforementioned "dominance on clay" cost the others wins in finals right? and vice-versa.
just removing final wins only is only part of the picture. esp as in nadal's case we are talking about 14 finals.

 

[malbaker86]

you can't "adapt your game" if you are not fast enough to hit the ball.

if ball speed/movement "has no effect" then "great players" would have similar results on all sufaces wouldn't they?

but they don't have same performance on all surfaces which shows that there are limits to how much you can "adjust" your game.

make the courts twice as fast and no one would "adjust" to that. it would ruin the game.

ergo: speeding up and slowing down courts has an effect.

Yes you can lol, what the hell???

 

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Yes you can lol, what the hell???

If that were the case why can't "GOAT" Rafa adjust his "non-clay game" to be as dominant as he is on clay?

why not?

Spoiler: ...

(don't force me to point out the obvious counter point about the other players surfaces)

 

[malbaker86]

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If that were the case why can't "GOAT" Rafa adjust his "non-clay game" to be as dominant as he is on clay?

why not?

Spoiler: ...

(don't force me to point out the obvious counter point about the other players surfaces)

Because he's going on surfaces off clay where 2 other guys are GREATS at it too; the hell?!?!? Rafa has 5 Wimbledon finals appearances, 5 USO finals appearances, and 6 AO finals appearances despite that too. Besides Roger and Novak, only Stan in 2014 AO final is the only non elite player he's lost to in ANY grand slam final. So courts being slowed is why the big 3 are "the big 3", right? That's what you're saying?

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Courts being slow has encouraged pseudo pushing and more conservative play which no one in their right mind wants to see and also leads to more injuries. Speed up the surfaces and give me bang bang tennis and shot making

 

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Because he's going on surfaces off clay where 2 other guys are GREATS at it too; the hell?!?!? Rafa has 5 Wimbledon finals appearances, 5 USO finals appearances, and 6 AO finals appearances despite that too. Besides Roger and Novak, only Stan in 2014 AO final is the only non elite player he's lost to in ANY grand slam final. So courts being slowed is why the big 3 are "the big 3", right? That's what you're saying?

so there are limits to how much you can adjust? right?

innate ability or lack of is more significant than any "ability to adjust" right?

Spoiler: ...

yeah I am having to spell this out

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Roddikk was a real nikka for a mf-er with just a serve and forehand.

Stop. He was always a mental midget. He got a couple slams so good on him but mentally was never really there

 

[ciubaca]

So Roddikk and 40 yo Sampras and Agassi are stiff competition now?

 

[phillycavsfan]

Stop. He was always a mental midget. He got a couple slams so good on him but mentally was never really there

Y'all gotta stop disrespecting Andy like this. He made it to 5 grand slam finals. Literally, the only reason he doesn't have more than 1 Slam is because of Federer. He was no. 1 in the world at 21 years old. Then Roger went supernova and took over. If prime Andy played today he'd be ranked top 5 under Novak, Rafa, Medvedev, and Alcaraz.

 

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So Roddikk and 40 yo Sampras and Agassi are stiff competition now?

Is selective answer chicken who chickened out competition now?

 

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so there are limits to how much you can adjust? right?

innate ability or lack of is more significant than any "ability to adjust" right?

@malbaker86 and the babblanswer is ...?

 

[malbaker86]

@malbaker86 and the babblanswer is ...?

Whatever you want the answer to be

 

[No1]

Invert that statement and that question.

How many did Novak win after Nadal and Federer stopped buzzing?

You will never admit that.

Also it is getting clearer by the day that there are no rising supertalents to challenge these guys.

In fact the standard is lower and the gap bigger than when Federer started. Even with the slowed down courts.

For Fed Roddikk, Agassi, Sampras were still around. We don't even have that level of player coming up or in the background now.

Did you just say that none of the younger players are on Roddikk’s level?