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[No1]

Djokovic and Nadal would have both been

You can't argue a point after the fact like it didn't have an effect lol

"Hawking down" means nothing. Tim Henman been to a million grand slam semi-finals, but never broke through. Almost =/= Dominance

On top of that you had players who were less effective in this current era like Wawrinka, Milos Raonic, Del Poltro, etc because of the slowed down courts.. who would have prevented Djokovic and Nadal from breaking through as well

There is a lot of supposition in here. Nadal and Novak didn’t start to play well because it changes to the courts. They were teenagers getting older and better. It’s not like they flipped a switch overnight. And the courts have changed many times throughout history, why are we crediting this specific to making certain players great? We could apply that to any group of players that emerge after a change and we don’t.

 

[null]

Did you just say that none of the younger players are on Roddikk’s level?

name names e-grow

 

[malbaker86]

let me ask yall this, after Novak (and maybe Rafa if he plays), who's the real true contenders at this upcoming Wimbledon?

 

[UpAndComing]

There is a lot of supposition in here. Nadal and Novak didn’t start to play well because it changes to the courts. They were teenagers getting older and better. It’s not like they flipped a switch overnight. And the courts have changed many times throughout history, why are we crediting this specific to making certain players great? We could apply that to any group of players that emerge after a change and we don’t.

Oh stop with the "they were younger" angle. So played out lol. Ya'll aren't even taking this conversation seriously anymore




Look at this 2009 US Open match Nadal vs Del Poltro. 2009 was years after Nadal won his first French Open, was he a "baby" then? Dude was blown off the court by a player that would dominate courts if they were faster. Both Djokovic and Nadal lack power in their serves from when they were younger till now. That's why they started calling their serves "spot serving" as a nice way to describe it. They knew slower courts limits the effectiveness of dominant Serve and Volley players. If gives Clay court specialists just enough time to defend power serves and power hitting

 

[malbaker86]

Oh stop with the "they were younger" angle. So played out lol. Ya'll aren't even taking this conversation seriously anymore




Look at this 2009 US Open match Nadal vs Del Poltro. 2009 was years after Nadal won his first French Open, was he a "baby" then? Dude was blown off the court by a player that would dominate courts if they were faster. Both Djokovic and Nadal lack power in their serves from when they were younger till now. That's why they started calling their serves "spot serving" as a nice way to describe it. They knew slower courts limits the effectiveness of dominant Serve and Volley players. If gives Clay court specialists just enough time to defend power serves and power hitting

Del Potro is good in his own right bruh, he's shown that over the years when he was "semi" healthy even after all the injuries . But remember, the courts at the AO is "faster" than they are at the USO and Del Potro struggled in his career at the AO but had way more success at the slower USO courts. He's a hard case anyways with all those damn injuries .

My overall point though is that Nadal, Fed, and Novak were going to be great no matter what. All those clay specialist that emerged around the time Nadal came into the picture (Ferrer, Verdasco, Almagro, Feli Lopez, Robredo) but he was just more talented than them and adjusted his game better off clay than they did. I just think if the courts were never "slowed", he would have found a way to figure it out. Same with Federer and Novak

 

[UpAndComing]

Del Potro is good in his own right bruh, he's shown that over the years when he was "semi" healthy even after all the injuries . But remember, the courts at the AO is "faster" than they are at the USO and Del Potro struggled in his career at the AO but had way more success at the slower USO courts. He's a hard case anyways with all those damn injuries .

My overall point though is that Nadal, Fed, and Novak were going to be great no matter what. All those clay specialist that emerged around the time Nadal came into the picture (Ferrer, Verdasco, Almagro, Feli Lopez, Robredo) but he was just more talented than them and adjusted his game better off clay than they did. I just think if the courts were never "slowed", he would have found a way to figure it out. Same with Federer and Novak

Both Djokovic and Nadal struggled against these types of players

 

[null]

There is a lot of supposition in here. Nadal and Novak didn’t start to play well because it changes to the courts. They were teenagers getting older and better. It’s not like they flipped a switch overnight.

Slower courts helped certain players. It's all over google and all over the specialist Tennis publications.

Do you have a different opinion?

And the courts have changed many times throughout history, why are we crediting this specific to making certain players great?

Because slower courts helped certain players. Changing all of the courts in one direction ...

We could apply that to any group of players that emerge after a change and we don’t.

"We do it" all of the time i.e. we "qualify significant change" all of the time in a bigger and more reguular fashion.

Everr heard of the term "Open Era". They split records and qualify achievements wrt to their Era all of the time.

 

[malbaker86]

Both Djokovic and Nadal struggled against these types of players

They do and I love those matches when they're against big servers because you get to see how they problem solve and they usually figure it out but they go about it differently.

 

[null]

They do and I love those matches when they're against big servers because you get to see how they problem solve and they usually figure it out but they go about it differently.

colorful pictures and music to help you catch up ...

 

[malbaker86]

colorful pictures and music to help you catch up ...

don't need any catching up, i know my tennis history

 

[No1]

Slower courts helped certain players. It's all over google and all over the specialist Tennis publications.

Do you have a different opinion?



Because slower courts helped certain players. Changing all of the courts in one direction ...




"We do it" all of the time i.e. we "qualify significant change" all of the time in a bigger and more reguular fashion.

Everr heard of the term "Open Era". They split records and qualify achievements wrt to their Era all of the time.

Can you stop spamming this post. You’re not educating anyone.

 

[No1]

Oh stop with the "they were younger" angle. So played out lol. Ya'll aren't even taking this conversation seriously anymore




Look at this 2009 US Open match Nadal vs Del Poltro. 2009 was years after Nadal won his first French Open, was he a "baby" then? Dude was blown off the court by a player that would dominate courts if they were faster. Both Djokovic and Nadal lack power in their serves from when they were younger till now. That's why they started calling their serves "spot serving" as a nice way to describe it. They knew slower courts limits the effectiveness of dominant Serve and Volley players. If gives Clay court specialists just enough time to defend power serves and power hitting

This is just one game. They always had difficulty with these guys but they usually figured them out eventually. They’ve adjusted their games their era and their times. Del Potro was great in his own right anyway and would’ve won more if not for injuries.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

As an aside I played on grass courts in the late 90s early 00s and the speed was insane

 

[null]

Can you stop spamming this post. You’re not educating anyone.

Actually this is quite educational.

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This thread does not belong to you. If I see something which deserves comment then I am going to comment, if I feel like it.

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[ciubaca]

let me ask yall this, after Novak (and maybe Rafa if he plays), who's the real true contenders at this upcoming Wimbledon?

Novak is a biiiiiig fav.. Med cant play and rafa isnt beating novak on grass. Im 90% sure novak will get his 21st gs at wimbledon this year... unless he find some way to fukk it up off court