The One Benjamin Crump Discussion Thread

[Leao2005]

Dude is heckling Crump at the press conference.

Calling him an ambulance chaser on live TV.

Heckling Bakari now

Link?

 

[get these nets]

He's just a civil suit lawyer, he don't have power or the sway to do shyt though. That's the point. Him being there isn't going to change anything as the current climate makes it so that every case of someone getting killed by the police will bring national attention by itself. You don't need for him that anymore. National attention is enough to get a family paid in a civil suit without needing him as their lawyer.

As I said before, he's eating and benefiting off of these situations just as much as other people and activist that The Coli loves to complain about, yet he doesn't get a fraction of the criticism. Call it what it is.

There will always be another lawyer that can take his place as we've seen it happen many times before in previous situations like these.

Why do you think the families of the murder victims keep contacting him for assistance?

 

[get these nets]

Link?

It was on CNN.

Press conference should be on the video sites

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Why do you think the families of the murder victims keep contacting him for assistance?

Would have to be money from the civil suit as that’s what he specializes in. He doesn’t have any power outside of that. He had no sway over anything that happens in the courtroom outside of the civil suit aspect.

That’s what the Black Panthers were talking about when they heckled him.

 

[get these nets]

Heres the thing, we are already separated due to redlining, race, and socio-economic factors..so what we need is 100% ownership of the institutions where ever we are seperated at...that is not pie in the sky theory...its actually very attainable like other ethnic groups in the US have already done...its the only way to deal with police brutality effective..cryin and beggin masta on TV will not get the job done in fact it will make it worse.

I hear what you're saying, control of institutions AND leveraging political power, though.

That's why I mentioned reform laws that have passed in the last year. If our communities don't evolve and get politically engaged on the heels of 2020, it will never happen.
Crump's press conferences aren't stopping anybody from organizing to get laws changed or politicians out of office

 

[get these nets]

Would have to be money from the civil suit as that’s what he specializes in. He doesn’t have any power outside of that. He had no sway over anything that happens in the courtroom outside of the civil suit aspect.

That’s what the Black Panthers were talking about when they heckled him.

That's a callous view. You think the family of the man murdered in Elizabeth City, NC was motivated by money to invite Atty Crump down there? Has the man even been buried yet?

Again, however anybody feels about him personally the reality is, his presence helps to shine a national light on what these keystones cops and city administrators and police departments would just as easily swept under the rug if it were just a local story.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

That's a callous view. You think the family of the man murdered in Elizabeth City, NC was motivated by money to invite Atty Crump down there? Has the man even been buried yet?

Again, however anybody feels about him personally the reality is, his presence helps to shine a national light on what these keystones cops and city administrators and police departments would just as easily swept under the rug if it were just a local story.

You're missing my point

If you want justice, then Ben Crump is not the lawyer for you. I don't care what he gets on TV and says. He is a personal injury lawyer. He has no influence on the jury and courts to determine whether someone will be tried guilt or not. That's the difference.

Other people help bring national attention to stories as well, yet that doesn't stop people on The Coli from levying criticism at them, so Ben Crump isn't an exception. He is benefitting and eating just as much as the other people we complain about.

 

[get these nets]

You're missing my point

If you want justice, then Ben Crump is not the lawyer for you. I don't care what he gets on TV and says. He is a personal injury lawyer. He has no influence on the jury and courts to determine whether someone will be tried guilt or not. That's the difference.

Other people help bring national attention to stories as well, yet that doesn't stop people on The Coli from levying criticism at them, so Ben Crump isn't an exception. He is benefitting and eating just as much as the other people we complain about.

I keep saying this, but will say it again. Crump lead press conference was aired live on CNN. Unfortunately, there were other people killed by police under questionable circumstances that past week. CNN is not covering their stories, so those local cases will play out like similar cases have.

Due to the national spotlight in Elizabeth City, NC all types of pressure is being applied to city administrators, poluce, and prosecutors to release the video and answer questions. Governors, county officials, etc are making calls.
Whatever charges are brought up and firings/suspensions are a direct result of the National attention being focused on the story. Otherwise it would be small town business as usual, and probably swept under the rug.
Press conference revealed details of the autopsy to the entire country.

However you feel about Crump, don't deny the impact that national pressure has on whatever charges cone about. And don't for a second think that it would be the same if it remained a local story.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I keep saying this, but will say it again. Crump lead press conference was aired live on CNN. Unfortunately, there were other people killed by police under questionable circumstances that past week. CNN is not covering their stories, so those local cases will play out like similar cases have.

Due to the national spotlight in Elizabeth City, NC all types of pressure is being applied to city administrators, poluce, and prosecutors to release the video and answer questions. Governors, county officials, etc are making calls.
Whatever charges are brought up and firings/suspensions are a direct result of the National attention being focused on the story. Otherwise it would be small town business as usual, and probably swept under the rug.
Press conference revealed details of the autopsy to the entire country.

However you feel about Crump, don't deny the impact that national pressure has on whatever charges cone about. And don't for a second think that it would be the same if it remained a local story.

Charges don't mean shyt if you can't get a conviction. Yes have no control over that, but don't sit here and pretend like he does just because he takes on a high profile case.

Like I said, he's not needed on every high profile case in this current climate as someone getting killed by the police alone is enough to become a national story. They would have gotten high profile attention regardless of whether or not he showed up. There have been high profile before him in these type of case and there will continue to be someone to take his place after. Don't ask like what he's doing is special and like we haven't seen it before.

 

[get these nets]

Charges don't mean shyt if you can't get a conviction.

Wow, so now helping to put pressure on officials to charge rogue cops is nothing?

????????????????

Think about what you wrote. Crawl before you walk. Cops can't get convicted if cases and murders get swept under the rug.

Put your feelings about Crump aside for a second.
You said the families contacted him to file civil lawsuits, and now you are downplaying the role he will play in whatever legal/disciplinary actions are taken against the cops.

Come on, man. Don't let emotions cloud your good judgment.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Wow, so now helping to put pressure on officials to charge rogue cops is nothing?

????????????????

Think about what you wrote. Crawl before you walk. Cops can't get convicted if cases and murders get swept under the rug.

Put your feelings about Crump aside for a second.
You said the families contacted him to file civil lawsuits, and now you are downplaying the role he will play in whatever legal/disciplinary actions are taken against the cops.

Come on, man. Don't let emotions cloud your good judgment.

Where is the lie what I said? Charges don't always equal to a conviction especially when it comes to police killings. If it did, then we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

At the end of the day, dude is a personal injury lawyer and has no sway on what happens with the jury and inside the courtroom. His job is to get those families paid in a civil suit. That's what a personal injury lawyer does.

Why else do you think Black Panthers called him an ambulance chaser? We can continue to have this discussion, but it's not going to change the type of lawyer that he is and what he can/can't do.

 

[get these nets]

Where is the lie what I said? Charges don't always equal to a conviction especially when it comes to police killings. If it did, then we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

At the end of the day, dude is a personal injury lawyer and has no sway on what happens with the jury and inside the courtroom. His job is to get those families paid in a civil suit. That's what a personal injury lawyer does.

Why else do you think Black Panthers called him an ambulance chaser? We can continue to have this discussion, but it's not going to change the type of lawyer that he is and what he can/can't do.

I think the thing you said that the facts don't support is that Crump doesn't sway what eventually happens.
"It would have happened anyway" and "national media is on all police brutality/murder cases" are not facts. Again, somewhere in this country, a Black man was assaulted or killed by police under questionable circumstances. Because the national media cannot cover every story, it will remain local, law enforcement will stall and wait out the family who is looking for answers. With no external pressure, the actual story will never come out.

Panthers and the local folks in Elizabeth City have a right to question Crump showing up. Andrew Brown's son and family wants him there though , and their opinions about this story outweighs everybody else's.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I think the thing you said that the facts don't support is that Crump doesn't sway what eventually happens.
"It would have happened anyway" and "national media is on all police brutality/murder cases" are not facts. Again, somewhere in this country, a Black man was assaulted or killed by police under questionable circumstances. Because the national media cannot cover every story, it will remain local, law enforcement will stall and wait out the family who is looking for answers. With no external pressure, the actual story will never come out.

Panthers and the local folks in Elizabeth City have a right to question Crump showing up. Andrew Brown's son and family wants him there though , and their opinions about this story outweighs everybody else's.

Which is totally fine and all I agree, but what difference is he doing that other people The Coli complain about aren't? They're bringing national attention to stories as well. Why do they get criticism, yet Crump is immune from it? He can show up with no problems, but if anyone else does people complain.

He's eating and benefiting from these situations wayyyyy more than the people that The Coli and people on here complain about. Don't lie like he isn't because you know I'm right.

 

[get these nets]

Which is totally fine and all I agree, but what difference is he doing that other people The Coli complain about aren't? They're bringing national attention to stories as well. Why do they get criticism, yet Crump is immune from it? He can show up with no problems, but if anyone else does people complain.

He's eating and benefiting from these situations wayyyyy more than the people that The Coli and people on here complain about. Don't lie like he isn't because you know I'm right.

I haven't disputed that Crump's national profile rises with each media appearance, and each family that calls him for assistance. Because they personally seek him out, I don't have a personal opinion about what it does for him.

That's they key difference between what he does and what others may do.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I haven't disputed that Crump's national profile rises with each media appearance, and each family that calls him for assistance. Because they personally seek him out, I don't have a personal opinion about what it does for him.

That's they key difference between what he does and what others may do.

And just because they personally seek him doesn't mean that he isn't immune from criticism among the public.