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[Ciggavelli]

We don't know exactly what the specs are and on paper specs are only one part of the puzzle. You don't know enough about the hardware or the software development to be claiming that the devs just decided to do some "lazy optimization".

Ubisoft is known for lazy optimization. That is a fact (Far Cry 3 still stutters in SLI and AC:BF doesn't even use 100% of the GPU when it is running). Hackers have to fukk with their games to make the games run better and make them run in 3 monitors (further supporting the notion of lazy optimization). The truth of the matter is that devs spend all their resources on consoles, because they sell more. They spend next to nothing on the pc ports. It pains me to say it, but it's true.

Devs that are PC focused, make great games that look better than consoles and are very well optimized.

It's a sad day when it takes Hayden (the god of the multi-monitor world) one day to make Watch Dogs work in 3 monitors, but Ubisoft couldn't do it during their entire development of the game. Ubisoft is either being lazy or their pc port division is understaffed. They don't throw enough money or support to the PC versions.

I don't know what dream world you are living in, but the XB1 and PS4 are inferior pieces of technology by anybody's standards. The specs are pathetic. There is nothing magical about either console. They are basically pcs, with pc specs.

It all comes down to money, which equates to the effort companies like Ubisoft are gonna put toward PC optimization. Devs rely way too much on Nvidia and the community to fix their problems. This is very worrisome for me. PC gaming is not taken serious enough by a lot of the devs. This does not mean the consoles are more powerful.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

The Witcher 3 pre-order page is up on Steam

http://store.steampowered.com/app/292030/

personally I don't think they should be able to take pre-orders before they post recommended specs

This is one of the few games I will not cop on steam...

GOG version is DRM free so they will always get my money...

 

[Rice N Beans]

Couldn't it be that the game is just needs powerful hardware?

If that were the case then the system requirements listed would be redone.

Yes it's gimped cause it works well on 360

Gimped because it sacrificed so much compared to the PC version to reach 30fps at a paltry resolution.

you got access to the code?

Do you need access to game code to know there's an error that causes a slowdown?

You really present a bad argument even for a troll.

I know you looked at your XBox when you typed that.

 

[Ciggavelli]

@Rice N Beans Where are you seeing slowdown in BL2? I wanna do some tests myself in Win 8.1

 

[Rice N Beans]

@Rice N Beans Where are you seeing slowdown in BL2? I wanna do some tests myself in Win 8.1

I'll grab some screenies soon. There's a few in Southern Shelf off the top of my head. One in Thousand Cuts on the way to BNKR and some others. I'll edit this post again with locations.

EDIT: I get the most obvious drop here. It always leads me to believe its CPU related...

Spoiler

 

[Ciggavelli]

I fukking hate Origin so much. I tried to move my old installs over to my new computer and they fukking errored on me. Now I gotta download 100gb to test out Crysis 3, BF4, and Titanfall.

I didn't have to do this with steam

 

[MeachTheMonster]

If that were the case then the system requirements listed would be redone.

The recommended specs are pretty steep with or without the stuttering.

Gimped because it sacrificed so much compared to the PC version to reach 30fps at a paltry resolution.

Beyond resolution, and framerate not much was sacrificed for the 360 version. In some ways it had more advanced graphics than the PC version.

Do you need access to game code to know there's an error that causes a slowdown?

An error has nothing to do with the fact that the game needs powerful hardware to run. You won't be running these next gen games at 4k 60fps like y'all like to brag about unless you start upgrading your hardware.

You really present a bad argument even for a troll.

Yes cause calling devs lazy is such a well thought out argument

I know you looked at your XBox when you typed that.

Nope i looked at my already outdated graphics card

 

[Rice N Beans]

The recommended specs are pretty steep with or without the stuttering.

The steepness isn't the issue, it's the fact that the game isn't working well per the specifications published. As a non PC gamer, you wouldn't know the importance of System Requirements.

Beyond resolution, and framerate not much was sacrificed for the 360 version. In some ways it had more advanced graphics than the PC version.

They had to tone practically everything visual down.Nothing in the XB version was visually superior to the PC version.

An error has nothing to do with the fact that the game needs powerful hardware to run. You won't be running these next gen games at 4k 60fps like y'all like to brag about unless you start upgrading your hardware.

No shyt you need a strong PC for it. Nobody is refuting otherwise. It's the overkill rigs that should be beasting and don't is the issue.

Yes cause calling devs lazy is such a well thought out argument

They have issues with the game right now on PC. This is fact. And your retarded counter is "do you have the code to prove it's the game"?

Did you think Battlefield 4's issues weren't on the game? By your logic we'd all need upgrades, consoles included.

Nope i looked at my already outdated graphics card

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The steepness isn't the issue, it's the fact that the game isn't working well per the specifications published. As a non PC gamer, you wouldn't know the importance of System Requirements.

I'm playing the game on PC right now. It's the first and only game I've played that i can't even get close to 60fps and that has nothing to do with stuttering.

They had to tone practically everything visual down.Nothing in the XB version was visually superior to the PC version.

This is just not true. Check the digital foundry article.

No shyt you need a strong PC for it. Nobody is refuting otherwise. It's the overkill rigs that should be beasting and don't is the issue.

As I said people who are used to "beasting" games, won't be anymore unless they upgrade their hardware.

They have issues with the game right now on PC. This is fact. And your retarded counter is "do you have the code to prove it's the game"?

Never said the problems aren't in the game. I said the "lazy devs" argument is stupid, and an easy cop out people use to explain things they don't understand.

Did you think Battlefield 4's issues weren't on the game? By your logic we'd all need upgrades, consoles included.

Most of battlefields issues were server side, which is why they were consistent across all platforms.

Make false comparisons, cause your argument is broke brehs

PC Stans told me a 2gig card would last for years.

Found out that was a lie

 

[Fatboi1]

This is the face I make when I see some of Meach's arguments on here.


Breh, just.... *sigh*

*Leaves thread*

 

[Ciggavelli]

As I said people who are used to "beasting" games, won't be anymore unless they upgrade their hardware.

Some of us have the most up to date hardware. It's not the hardware that is the problem! You're telling me 2 780tis shouldn't be able to "beast" Watch Dogs? That's absurd

One 780 should be easily beasting Watch Dogs, but it's not. It's a software/coding issue.

You have no idea what you are talking about...

 

[daze23]

Yup lazy devs, unoptimized games blah blah blah.

Where did y'all get your engeneering degrees from? What games y'all working on?

was something I said false?

I didn't even mention, or allude to, "lazy devs" or "unoptimized games"

I'll grab some screenies soon. There's a few in Southern Shelf off the top of my head. One in Thousand Cuts on the way to BNKR and some others. I'll edit this post again with locations.

EDIT: I get the most obvious drop here. It always leads me to believe its CPU related...

Spoiler

are you monitoring your gpu and/or cpu usage?

if you're getting bad framerates, and your gpu is not at 99% (100%) usage, there is a bottleneck elsewhere

 

[Zebruh]

We don't know exactly what the specs are and on paper specs are only one part of the puzzle. You don't know enough about the hardware or the software development to be claiming that the devs just decided to do some "lazy optimization".


Couldn't it be that the game is just needs powerful hardware?

Yes it's gimped cause it works well on 360


you got access to the code?

Dog you gotta stop doing this.

 

[Rice N Beans]

I'm playing the game on PC right now. It's the first and only game I've played that i can't even get close to 60fps and that has nothing to do with stuttering.

Post up screenies of GFX settings and Hardware.

This is just not true. Check the digital foundry article.

Sure it is. There's even a DigitalFoundry video showcasing how much better Crysis 3 PC looks over its 360 counterpart.

As I said people who are used to "beasting" games, won't be anymore unless they upgrade their hardware.

Nobody is debating the eventual hardware upgrade. Trying to change it now that the shoe don't fit eh Meach.

Never said the problems aren't in the game. I said the "lazy devs" argument is stupid, and an easy cop out people use to explain things they don't understand.

You're haping on the lazy devs comment and trying to constreuct it to make you look right.

On to the meat and potatoes, sloppy port work isn't hard to find

Most of battlefields issues were server side, which is why they were consistent across all platforms.

It's still game code.

Game code had to be fixed to improve performance.

It was a widespread issue.

According to you, we can't handle it, we need upgrades.

PC Stans told me a 2gig card would last for years.

Found out that was a lie

Let solely the amount of vRAM be the deciding factor in a purchase brehs.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Some of us have the most up to date hardware. It's not the hardware that is the problem! You're telling me 2 780tis shouldn't be able to "beast" Watch Dogs? That's absurd

One 780 should be easily beasting Watch Dogs, but it's not. It's a software/coding issue.

You have no idea what you are talking about...

You are conflating the two concepts. Yes there is a problem with stuttering. But even without that stuttering its still a very demanding game. It's absurd that you pretend to know what hardware/software "should" be able to do, even though you don't work on hardware/software.

was something I said false?

I didn't even mention, or allude to, "lazy devs" or "unoptimized games"

yeah, you said something about a "gimped" port. Sounds like something a sony Stan would say

Post up screenies of GFX settings and Hardware.

Sure it is. There's even a DigitalFoundry video showcasing how much better Crysis 3 PC looks over its 360 counterpart.

We were talking about crysis 1.

Nobody is debating the eventual hardware upgrade. Trying to change it now that the shoe don't fit eh Meach.

Not trying to change anything. The first thing I said was this

"Due to diminishing returns it takes a hell of a lot of power just for marginal gains. You PC dudes thought y'all would squeak by this gen with that old ass hardware"

That's been my argument the entire time. Y'all took it to all these other places cause you know PC master race and stuff.

You're haping on the lazy devs comment and trying to constreuct it to make you look right.

On to the meat and potatoes, sloppy port work isn't hard to find

My only reason in joining this conversation was due to comments about "lazy devs" and "sloppy ports" cause system requirements are high for next gen games.

It's still game code.

Game code had to be fixed to improve performance.

It was a widespread issue.

According to you, we can't handle it, we need upgrades.

Even if/when they fix the stuttering issue, you will need an upgrade to play watchdogs at PC master race levels

Let solely the amount of vRAM be the deciding factor in a purchase brehs.

Wasn't the only factor, but I thought it would be sufficient for some time to come since PC Stans told me the "next gen" consoles were weak sauce and my 660 would shyt all over them for some time to come [/QUOTE]