The plight of the black creative (I've been meaning to make this thread for a while)...

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Good shyt. I can't really divulge into it too much right now since I'm not at da crib but imma bookmark dis thread for when I am able.

Will be back to drop more of mah perspective bout black folks n art from mah personal experience(s).

Nice thread, breh. :salute:
 

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right now...this is where my photography is...nothing but cellphone pics and I haven't updated it in a while...

http://temisanadoki.tumblr.com

I focus on my music at the moment and this is my bandcamp.

http://allinthefamilyrecords.bandcamp.com

And this is my soundcloud

http://soundcloud.com/whoistemisanadoki


I find your pictures to be very good and different. Keep ur head up, I follow ur threads and at times I understand ur frustrations and I know all to well of the good "ole" boy network it even manifests itself in the medical field but my only saving grace is my patients drive my success not other people. If your ever interested in selling some of your photography as artwork let me know via PM. God Bless
 

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I think I see what OP is getting it, especially with the pigeonholing part ...

Admittedly, I only really listen to rap/hip hop, but at the same time, I will never down another black person for not listening to it or listening to other forms of music under the premise of it being "white people stuff". You like what you like and just because you don't fit in with the mainstream (for lack of a better phrasing) doesn't take away your blackness at all :manny:
 

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1) when did I dis Wes Anderson or Spike Jonze? Those are 2 of my favorite film makers.But I was using them as examples, which brings me to my second question....

2) Your gonna seriously try and downplay the stringent box that society tries to put black artist In? Like I said, my good friend made a film that I saw him work on for years. I would put his film against any Larry Clark, Harmony Korine, and even some Wes Anderson movies. Yet it still didn't get the support that equaled out to its critical acclaim (never saw ONE bad review) and he had to get Jay-z to sign on to the project before they would put it out (a rapper that had nothing to do with the making of the film and is the exact opposite appeal wise of the base my friend was trying to reach, but hey a black man made a film so a rapper had to be involved SOMEHOW RIGHT?) . C'mon this doesn't happen to white filmmakers in the same manner.

3) You talk as if you know what I've done. Trust me, I grind and have won awards at various film festivals, but that don't mean it gets any easier. Entitled is the last thing anybody would call me.

All OP was doin is try to start some healthy dialogue about some VERY real issues in the arts concerning black artist.

To bad some of y'all don't understand that.
The problem goat poster, is that it was the OP who started this thread. He has a history of venting and complaining about things so it was natural for penfield to come with the angle that he did. Heck, I initially didn't even read the thread once I saw who the OP was (and I'm not trying to throw shots, but I won't lie). But I do agree with a lot of what you have to say (though I don't know if Jay Z is the exact opposite appeal wise of the base your friend is trying to reach...in 2014 anyway, go walk around college campuses). Black people are stereotyped and put in a lot of boxes, but there has never been a time where people are more likely to accept you for your different interests (at least once you get past high school). The professional world, is a different thing entirely and that I can understand.
 

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@OG_StankBrefs your comment in @Theraflu 's thread prompted me to create this thread. I've been holding off on this for a while cause I didn't think it would be appreciated or gain the right audience...but to hell with it. I've been meaning to discuss this with all of the intelligent folks on the Coli for a while.\

I've been interested in the creative arts for as long as I can remember. Whether it was drawing comics, doing graffiti, making music, designing t-shirt graphics, or just writing some little poems in a notepad. There were many people in my life that encouraged me to pursue some sort of career in the creative field, and seeing that it was one of my passions (and still is) I decided to stick with it.

Sticking with it has been the hardest thing. And I'll tell you why.

In my experiences in the art/music world (from going to art galleries/shows/openings to actually being a participant in these events whether as an artist performing or showcasing works in these events) the fact of being a black person in this world still stands: WE ARE CRIMINALLY UNDERREPRESENTED.

I figured that with how race concious and sensitive many fields are, that the art world would be more open minded and "accepting" to an extent. But, sometimes I feel like this is yet another good ol' boys (and girls) club. Complete with nepotism, culture vulturing, kickbacks, and other shortcuts to fame and notoriety.

This also ties in with what I do musically (which could be it's own thread, so I'll just abbreviate my main points). I feel like with black people that make music outside of Hip-Hop/R&B...they are doomed to be a "niche" or unseen in general.

For years, my man frustration from making music and trying to get it heard was where I stood in this music world as a black man that decidedly does "electronica". Especially in the current frame of American life where hip-hop and R&B is the definitive "voice" of the black community. I'm pretty sure a good amount of black people that dared to love music outside of these got the same comments by their peers or something along those lines...

"You ain't black:"
"why you listening to this whiteboy stuff?"


I will admit, I felt vexed amongst my people when met with these statement. For years, I thought that somehow we as a people we're lacking of a perspective that could se the beauty of these musics/arts and that we just didn't have the foresight or knowledge of these to do so. The older I got, I realized this wasn't the case.

I guess this is why I kind of felt angry towards the state of hip-hop and R&B...like I was pigeonholed to do this or just never get any sort of attention towards my music and my art that I have been doing for 17 years.

I remember DJing events where there were a significant amount of black people in attendance, playing house music, and seeing those people clear the room in record time. It was disheartening.

I also remember DJing events where I was the only person of color on the bill. And wondering...is this my fate doing this music to play for predominantly white audiences? Especially when I'm trying to create a diverse atmosphere and fanbase.

Needless to say...from doing this for so long, we have it much harder to make a name for ourselves in this game than anybody else. But it shouldn't be this way.


do you, keep plugging away .... study and read up on everything you can on Gordon Parks and Melvin Van Peebles.

some apartheid(my opinion), caste sytem art news to support your thread thesis ....

VISUAL ARTS
Basel ‘mothership’ fair is bigger than ever

Now in its 45th year, the original Art Basel fair in Switzerland drew record crowds and strong sales. Gallerists hope it’s a good omen for the Miami Beach fair in December.


http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/07/04/4216240/basel-mothership-fair-is-bigger.html
 
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