The plight of the black creative (I've been meaning to make this thread for a while)...

[Roaden Polynice]

Breh,

As a Black filmmaker I certainly see your point. I'm tired of us having to make Music/film/art that is pigeonholed into some sort of accepted "authentic black experience". It pisses me off that Wes Anderson or Spike Jones can make any artsy/quirky movie about all kinds of unique people/places/situations and find an audience.

Yet the moment a black person tries to make a movie like that they get hit with a by not only white people but also black people as well.

It seems every black movie is a hood movie, romantic comedy, or comedy.

Right. Once you make something as good as Steve Zissou, let alone Rushmore then people might take you serious. Until then keep Wes Anderson da gawd's name out of your mouth

And you're talking about Spike Jonze too

Let me tell you something...go to MoMA or the Gugenheim...where are the black artists? Where are the black artists making acute installations? Where are the black abstract artists? Where are the black industrial artists? Where are the black minimalist artists? Where are the black photo realist artists?

How many black fashion designers are there out there? How many black people are supporting them? Can they be seen at a Fashion week in Paris or NYC or at Milk Studios or in London at a runway show?

How many black artists make music outside of hip-hop and R&B that are actually gaining an audience outside of that spectrum? How many NEW black artists are making EDM, abstract electronica, house, techno, IDM, experimental, etc?

How many black directors are there that are making movies outside of the atypical hood movie/relationship movie/church going crowd movie? That can actually garner the support neccessary to make more and encourage more growth and development within that spectrum...

This is what this thread is about...

I went to NYC for four days and there was an art exhibit several weeks ago and Kara Walker had a line around the block to see her new shyt that took up a whole factory, stop it b.

This thread boils down, like all your threads, into people assuming that their work is the least bit compelling or worthwhile, thinking because you have a soundcloud and people told you that you were creative growing up that you should be entitled to something or that something should be gifted to you.

fukk your entitlement. If you're actually talented with work ethic people will notice, @spinoza as hacky and ridiculous as he is tapped into whatever reserves of talent he had, worked hard, and has had his shyt recognized, albeit, as a minor internet celebrity, but, still, recognized and people took notice.

That's the trouble, you have millions of "creative" types from all walks of life, and they are duly weeded out, it's just that they rarely have anything of note to say or are basically bereft of talent.

And I'm not ignoring the racial aspects that you talked about, I'm just saying, if you were worth anything creatively you would've gone past that type of moaning already.

 

[IGSaint12]

Great thread breh, and your music is great.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

fukk your entitlement. If you're actually talented with work ethic people will notice, @spinoza as hacky and ridiculous as he is tapped into whatever reserves of talent he had, worked hard, and has had his shyt recognized, albeit, as a minor internet celebrity, but, still, recognized and people took notice.

Im not hacky, Im pop.

 

[IGSaint12]

And I totally agree with your point. It is depressing as fukk to see how much black people have boxed themselves into the corner of just rap and rnb when we created so many genres. The talent is limitless in the black community but they just want to stick to the tried and tested instead of moving to other genres and owning those. I just hope that black people eventually trend themselves out of it.

 

[Still Benefited]

What exactly is wrong with that?

Techno was created by blacks from Detroit in the 80s...it ain't whiteboy shyt. That's what I'm saying.

Because theres nothing wrong with being the "stereotypical black man" either.....if you are TRYING to be different and reject whats popular among our culture just for the sake of not being seen as that stereotype I don't respect that either....I feel like its a lot of that going on nowadays....If its real than knock yourself out but lets not expect for me to enjoy it....in my upbringing nikkas clown what seems and looks foreign unless its a bytch....talk down about what we don't understand sometimes....It is what it is....feel like I gave sum good advice by saying to maybe reach out to the younger generation of black kids who are more open minded than we was....some genuinely and some on some phony shyt....maybe he can be a mentor and be appreciated by them....you barking up the wrong tree if you wanting black people who been listening to rap and rnb for decades,never gave a shyt about a museum or the ends and outs of high fashion to open up our minds to that shyt....work on the younger generation before they stuck in they ways too is what id say if you care about opening up doors for the next black man in this "plight"....and techno might be from blacks in Detroit in the 80's but nikkas moved on,you wanna talk about what you wish it was or what it is?you said yourself its CONSIDERED white boy shyt whether that's right or wrong,we know what it means when that's said

 

[End Cruelty]

No use crying over it. Play the game and enjoy yourself. Life.

 

[Goat poster]

Right. Once you make something as good as Steve Zissou, let alone Rushmore then people might take you serious. Until then keep Wes Anderson da gawd's name out of your mouth

And you're talking about Spike Jonze too



I went to NYC for four days and there was an art exhibit several weeks ago and Kara Walker had a line around the block to see her new shyt that took up a whole factory, stop it b.

This thread boils down, like all your threads, into people assuming that their work is the least bit compelling or worthwhile, thinking because you have a soundcloud and people told you that you were creative growing up that you should be entitled to something or that something should be gifted to you.

fukk your entitlement. If you're actually talented with work ethic people will notice, @spinoza as hacky and ridiculous as he is tapped into whatever reserves of talent he had, worked hard, and has had his shyt recognized, albeit, as a minor internet celebrity, but, still, recognized and people took notice.

That's the trouble, you have millions of "creative" types from all walks of life, and they are duly weeded out, it's just that they rarely have anything of note to say or are basically bereft of talent.

And I'm not ignoring the racial aspects that you talked about, I'm just saying, if you were worth anything creatively you would've gone past that type of moaning already.

1) when did I dis Wes Anderson or Spike Jonze? Those are 2 of my favorite film makers.But I was using them as examples, which brings me to my second question....

2) Your gonna seriously try and downplay the stringent box that society tries to put black artist In? Like I said, my good friend made a film that I saw him work on for years. I would put his film against any Larry Clark, Harmony Korine, and even some Wes Anderson movies. Yet it still didn't get the support that equaled out to its critical acclaim (never saw ONE bad review) and he had to get Jay-z to sign on to the project before they would put it out (a rapper that had nothing to do with the making of the film and is the exact opposite appeal wise of the base my friend was trying to reach, but hey a black man made a film so a rapper had to be involved SOMEHOW RIGHT?) . C'mon this doesn't happen to white filmmakers in the same manner.

3) You talk as if you know what I've done. Trust me, I grind and have won awards at various film festivals, but that don't mean it gets any easier. Entitled is the last thing anybody would call me.

All OP was doin is try to start some healthy dialogue about some VERY real issues in the arts concerning black artist.

To bad some of y'all don't understand that.

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

Right. Once you make something as good as Steve Zissou, let alone Rushmore then people might take you serious. Until then keep Wes Anderson da gawd's name out of your mouth

And you're talking about Spike Jonze too



I went to NYC for four days and there was an art exhibit several weeks ago and Kara Walker had a line around the block to see her new shyt that took up a whole factory, stop it b.

This thread boils down, like all your threads, into people assuming that their work is the least bit compelling or worthwhile, thinking because you have a soundcloud and people told you that you were creative growing up that you should be entitled to something or that something should be gifted to you.

fukk your entitlement. If you're actually talented with work ethic people will notice, @spinoza as hacky and ridiculous as he is tapped into whatever reserves of talent he had, worked hard, and has had his shyt recognized, albeit, as a minor internet celebrity, but, still, recognized and people took notice.

That's the trouble, you have millions of "creative" types from all walks of life, and they are duly weeded out, it's just that they rarely have anything of note to say or are basically bereft of talent.

And I'm not ignoring the racial aspects that you talked about, I'm just saying, if you were worth anything creatively you would've gone past that type of moaning already.

This is one of the first times I can agree with you (I'm ignoring the condescending elements of this post however)...but I don't like to pose attention to myself. My music is my hobby...I have a regular job. I just do it cause I love it. I've made some money from it...but I'm just more into making it for myself at the end of the day and sharing it.

the last thig I consider myself though is...entitled. I don't believe in that. I don't believe that people should hand me things just cause I'm breathing...I just like to ask questions and create a dialogue. I work hard for everything I have.

I've grinded hard for years...I just take the piss.

Edit: undapped...you said some slick insults here against me that I don't appreciate...not cool and you missed the point of this thread...

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

No use crying over it. Play the game and enjoy yourself. Life.

How am I cryng over it? How is this thread coming off as a pity party to you or anybody else?

I just make threads like this cause I'm trying to uplift the general consciousness of the black community indirectly/directly cause I want us to realize our own potential.

I know you can relate cause your a comedian...

 

[End Cruelty]

How am I cryng over it? How is this thread coming off as a pity party to you or anybody else?

I just make threads like this cause I'm trying to uplift the general consciousness of the black community indirectly/directly cause I want us to realize our own potential.

I know you can relate cause your a comedian...

I don't think you are coming off whiny at all. I'm just posting what I tell myself. It's hard out here for a lot of different reasons and I refuse to let any of them overshadow the joy I get from my work.

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

Great thread breh, and your music is great.

Thanks...I appreciate it.

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

I don't think you are coming off whiny at all. I'm just posting what I tell myself. It's hard out here for a lot of different reasons and I refuse to let any of them overshadow the joy I get from my work.

Word. I hear ya.

I always realize I'm gonna have to work ten times as hard to get half the recognition at the end of the day...my work is personal...it's me.

But then again, we all have to play the cards we're given in life.

 

[Guess Who]

My homeboy dropped a film last year that was executive produced by Jay- Z and Nikkas still slept on it.

This looks really dope. Where can I see it?

 

[Guess Who]

Guys check him out.

This is dope.

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

From the wise words of big krit..

"fukk these haters and fukk these hoes"