*L*E*G*A*C*Y*
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You're disappointing me with this man...
I'd appreciate it if you just said you just don't understand where I'm coming from.
The plight of the black creative (I've been meaning to make this thread for a while)...
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You're disappointing me with this man...
I'd appreciate it if you just said you just don't understand where I'm coming from.xx001234448
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You're disappointing me with this man...
Which artists inspire you the most? They don't have to be black just list them off the top of your head. I'm curious.
*L*E*G*A*C*Y*
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That's some real spit.
We're the most imitated and innovative in my opinion. Which is why I feel that we should be doing more with our talents instead of being complacent. I feel besides outside limitations...we limit ourselves in a way by buying into the "white face" of things and accepting it instead of supporting those black people that are doing it like that.
The black creative is a force to be reckoned with.
Black people created rock, disco, funk, r&b, blues, country, jungle, drum n bass, house, techno, etc...
Piff Perkins
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The ironic thing is that electronic music, ie house music, was quite popular amongst black people in the 70s and 80s. Detroit and Chicago were huge pioneers of the scene, which was quite racially diverse at the time.
In the 90s and 00s that sound was considered gay or European, now it's considered white boy/girl music. The way we put ourselves in boxes is just stunning to me. Consider how diverse black music was in the 80s. Michael Jackson, Public Enemy, Living Colour, Bad Brains, Run DMC, Tracy Chapman, PRINCE, etc etc etc. Now "black music" is 100% strictly hip hop and r&b, and we did that to ourselves brehs. I've heard people argue that diversity in black music died as funding for music in public schools was cut. But music is being cut all across the board, and it's not like our parents or our parent's parents had music in school either. I have no idea what's happening but it's disturbing to me.
The bright spot is that house is making quite a comeback in the US. Sure it's commercialized shyt, but when I hear DJ Mustard move mainstream rap away from the 808s of trap I feel a bit relieved. The door is slowly being opened towards accepting stuff that isn't 100% "hip hop" or "rap" sounding.
In the 90s and 00s that sound was considered gay or European, now it's considered white boy/girl music. The way we put ourselves in boxes is just stunning to me. Consider how diverse black music was in the 80s. Michael Jackson, Public Enemy, Living Colour, Bad Brains, Run DMC, Tracy Chapman, PRINCE, etc etc etc. Now "black music" is 100% strictly hip hop and r&b, and we did that to ourselves brehs. I've heard people argue that diversity in black music died as funding for music in public schools was cut. But music is being cut all across the board, and it's not like our parents or our parent's parents had music in school either. I have no idea what's happening but it's disturbing to me.
The bright spot is that house is making quite a comeback in the US. Sure it's commercialized shyt, but when I hear DJ Mustard move mainstream rap away from the 808s of trap I feel a bit relieved. The door is slowly being opened towards accepting stuff that isn't 100% "hip hop" or "rap" sounding.
philmonroe
Superstar
You don't have to be pigeon holed its just you can't use other people's money at first doing something that is different that money people don't think is going to sell. I think its better to do it that way anywayBreh,
As a Black filmmaker I certainly see your point. I'm tired of us having to make Music/film/art that is pigeonholed into some sort of accepted "authentic black experience". It pisses me off that Wes Anderson or Spike Jones can make any artsy/quirky movie about all kinds of unique people/places/situations and find an audience.
Yet the moment a black person tries to make a movie like that they get hit with aby not only white people but also black people as well.
It seems every black movie is a hood movie, romantic comedy, or comedy.
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cost
revs
terry gilliam
jim jarmusch
spike lee
basquiat
robert standish
ron english
Cope2
Shepard Fairey
Barbara Kruger
Kehinde Wiley
Jenny Holzer
Actress
Carl Craig
Jeff Mills
Fred P
Ryuchi Sakamoto
Steve Reich
Move D
DJ Pierre
Daft Punk
Kanye West
Dr. Dre
Steve Albini
Aphex Twin
Autechre
Yayoi Kusama
Lone
Brothomstates
Plaid
Susan Lori Parks
Apollonia St.Clair
Sean Cliver
Evan Hecox
Morning Breath
Curtis Kulig
DJ/Rupture
Derrick May
Brian HArden
Goldie
KAWS
Ed Templeton
Tommy Guerrero
just a couple...I could name more...
Kilgore Trout
Banned
I was thinking about this the other day.
You gotta find your lane. You should want to be an artist, not a "black" artist if you know what I mean. At the same time gotta use being black to your advantage in any way you can. If you're good enough people will fukk with you. You also gotta appeal to a broad audience.
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You gotta find your lane. You should want to be an artist, not a "black" artist if you know what I mean. At the same time gotta use being black to your advantage in any way you can. If you're good enough people will fukk with you. You also gotta appeal to a broad audience.
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The crazy thing is Rappers in Chicago would complain that the DJ's ( BLACK DJ's mind you) and people in the clubs would only support HOUSE music.
My how things have changed.
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I made a thread about house music and it's whitewashing over the years a while back and it was moved to the race track...
But I hear ya...100%.
It's funny,I had to laugh at this. Not because of the content but because I used to know this dude who would tell me the exact same thing. I was like 18 or 19. But he was a white Australian in his late 30s who used to DJ.
He knew way more about me. He was a bit of a drinker so he would tell me this over and over but he knew all about that shyt. He was a bit dumbfounded about why more young black kids weren't into it.
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xx001234448
Visual Storyteller
Nice eclectic mix. If you're trying to expand your horizons and skills as an artist and somebody has a problem with that then that's on them. Not something you should worry about. Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson said when he told a fellow black classmate that he wanted to become an astrophysicist that person said to him, "The black community can't afford for you to do that." Meaning he should use his intelligence to become a doctor, lawyer, professor, etc. But, Dr. Tyson realized that the black community couldn't afford for him to NOT become what he wanted and of course he was right. In short, just go after what you want and continue to focus on developing as an artist and don't worry about whether or not you'll be "accepted."
Piff Perkins
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I made a thread about house music and it's whitewashing over the years a while back and it was moved to the race track...
But I hear ya...100%.
Was it whitewashed tho? It's been rather diverse from the beginning. I can't help but think of stuff like MARRS and other acts which had black and white people in them. Or people like Frankie Knuckles whose style never really went out of style, 80s to now.
Sure some of that Euro shyt was a bit too...flamboyant for me, but from the 90s to now there has been a lot of dope house that I don't think is regulated to one race.
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True...I've always considered house music diverse and electronica diverse...which is why I always gravitated towards it. I collected records for over a decade and had it all and cite many different influences...
But I can't deny that this new school "EDM" movement is the epitome of whitewashed...and mainstreamed.
But enough about that.
Tommy Knocks
retired
Yea I agree. I used to spin dnb and make dubstep back in the day, was even a promoter, booked Pendulum for their first gig in LA before they were megastars. UK seem to be real good with thinking out the box.
I remember being in HS and I loved hard house and square pusher, it would trip people out, but I didn't give a shyt. Hell I even got a cpl brothas on that square pusher tip. I still listen to dubstep, but more so the underground stuff with lots of bass.
People pigeon hole themselves, while white people are always looking for the newest freshest most abstract thing. We used to make genres every decade, other than juke and NOLA bounce, which are dying, I can't think of anything new we've created since hiphop. pretty sad actually.
I remember being in HS and I loved hard house and square pusher, it would trip people out, but I didn't give a shyt. Hell I even got a cpl brothas on that square pusher tip. I still listen to dubstep, but more so the underground stuff with lots of bass.
People pigeon hole themselves, while white people are always looking for the newest freshest most abstract thing. We used to make genres every decade, other than juke and NOLA bounce, which are dying, I can't think of anything new we've created since hiphop. pretty sad actually.
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Squarepusher is dope!!! One of my biggest influences...
I guess that's why I've been on the juke/NOLA bounce/trap/jit/club for awhile since it's the most innnovative and freshest electronic music created by blacks in a hot minute...