The Police Were Created to Control Working Class and Poor People, Not ‘Serve and Protect’

[plushcarpet]

maybe that's true, but what's the alternative?

how do you keep a city like NYC (8 million people) peaceful and in order?

sure a sheriff or a constable can work in bumfuk utah with 500 residents

 

[Good Guy Guevara]

maybe that's true, but what's the alternative?

how do you keep a city like NYC (8 million people) peaceful and in order?

sure a sheriff or a constable can work in bumfuk utah with 500 residents

Maybe actually protect & service the communities they work in!

 

[red222]

to serve and protect who it has always been the elite

 

[OsO]

DEVIL'S ADVOCATE: HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THERE WERE NO POLICE FORCE AS IT IS, WHO WOULD DEAL WITH THE MUNDANE, ROUTINE, "Don't drink and drive, don't beat your wife, don't rob/rape/stab people" STUFF THAT COPS CURRENTLY HANDLE, BROTHER?

Traditionally the warriors of the society protect the society and also enforce the laws of the society. And the warriors were directed by the group of elders who made decisions in the best interest of the society. But in the US we have elite business class making decisions in their own best interest and it's the warriors (police, military) who have to enforce unjust policies. If there were a moral force guiding the police and military they would have the potential to function very differently.

There's also the option of community policing, which is the most ideal scenario imo. But that takes a very different community culture than we currently have in the US.

Personally I think our issue is much bigger than the police. The police are a product of the system, which is the state/government. The police are doing what they're supposed to do according to the set of values put forth by those in power. And those is power are interested in acquiring more power and protecting that power at all costs, hence our current social climate.

 

[ahdsend]

The police were not created to protect and serve the population. They were not created to stop crime, at least not as most people understand it. And they were certainly not created to promote justice. They were created to protect the new form of wage-labor capitalism that emerged in the mid- to late-19th century from the threat posed by that system’s offspring, the working class.

on point..

bottomline, if u got no economy and dont own the real estate in your neighborhoods..

then it gets real easy for the police to kill you off with no punishment..

cause a community serves as a defense for its people, and black folks in america dont have a community anymore...

when u have a community the police aint even welcome there unless they been called for a emergency...

u damn sure wouldnt have all these patrols around the block..

thats how it works wit everyone else cause they all have their own communities...

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Traditionally the warriors of the society protect the society and also enforce the laws of the society. And the warriors were directed by the group of elders who made decisions in the best interest of the society. But in the US we have elite business class making decisions in their own best interest and it's the warriors (police, military) who have to enforce unjust policies. If there were a moral force guiding the police and military they would have the potential to function very differently.

WHO WOULD THE "ELDERS" AND "WARRIORS" BE IN AMERICA THESE DAYS, BROTHER? DO YOU WANT GERIATRIC G.O.P. VOTERS LEADING THE MILITARY INTO THE STREETS, DUDE?

community policing

THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN A BUZZWORD UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE, MEAN GENE! SOUNDS NICE AND HAS NO SUBSTANCE BEHIND IT, BROTHER!

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I love legit history lessons

it definitely silences the partisan rhetoric.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

It could be treated like jury duty where people rotate in and out of service.

The institution is going nowhere though as long as we have capitalism.

That means more innocent people getting murdered and brutalized all the time, and the general population being repressed

So you'd trust more George Zimmerman's with power?

 

[JahFocus CS]

So you'd trust more George Zimmerman's with power?

What I said presupposes fundamental socioeconomic change and a shift to socialism.

Realistically the best that could be done now is civilian review boards in every municipality. I would also argue for some type of law allowing civilian self-defense when a cop is engaging in illegal actions.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

What I said presupposes fundamental socioeconomic change and a shift to socialism.

Realistically the best that could be done now is civilian review boards in every municipality. I would also argue for some type of law allowing civilian self-defense when a cop is engaging in illegal actions.

Civilian review boards are cool, but they require power to make changes. I don't think any police department has ever changed without federal oversight.

A civilian self defense campaign would run into trouble immediately. The current problem IS that a cop's actions aren't considered illegal until after a person has been thrown in prison or killed. The statement "illegal action" has never been used when proponents of excessive force speak on police brutality. That's a very very telling sign about the room for error cops are given when fulfilling their duties. I don't even think we know what is considered "illegal" anymore.

I'm not saying your ideas are wrong. Just sparking conversation.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Civilian review boards are cool, but they require power to make changes. I don't think any police department has ever changed without federal oversight.

A civilian self defense campaign would run into trouble immediately. The current problem IS that a cop's actions aren't considered illegal until after a person has been thrown in prison or killed. The statement "illegal action" has never been used when proponents of excessive force speak on police brutality. That's a very very telling sign about the room for error cops are given when fulfilling their duties. I don't even think we know what is considered "illegal" anymore.

I'm not saying your ideas are wrong. Just sparking conversation.

CRB's definitely have shortcomings, but they are a step at least. They should all have subpoena power and even firing power . They can't be toothless entities.

I agree... There just has to be some alternative though to cops being dictators until it is too late and they've already committed their rapes and murders

 

[JJ Lions]

CRB's definitely have shortcomings, but they are a step at least. They should all have subpoena power and even firing power . They can't be toothless entities.

I agree... There just has to be some alternative though to cops being dictators until it is too late and they've already committed their rapes and murders

But you're cool with civilians murdering other people, great logic you have there. And the other stuff you mentioned, sounds right out of Animal Farm, didn't turn out so well. Civilian self defense, firing powers, etc wow, so now they're police.

 

[JahFocus CS]

But you're cool with civilians murdering other people, great logic you have there. And the other stuff you mentioned, sounds right out of Animal Farm, didn't turn out so well.

I don't condone attacks on civilians. That's terrorism.

 

[JJ Lions]

I don't condone attacks on civilians. That's terrorism.

If a civilian goes around murdering people, you want to what? Give them a hug? Send in more people to get murdered? You solution would be what exactly? In the case were you got hurt feelings because a robot took care of business, you would have done what instead?

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

Yup, its the laws and policies that govern police conduct, combined with the people that make those policies that are the problem. Nothing will change until the laws change. And the laws wont change until the people in power are forced to change them.

How naive do some of these people have to be... To actually believe the police are here to protect and serve.

The brainwashing is real.. Most people just shrug and go back to watching tv