The Police Were Created to Control Working Class and Poor People, Not ‘Serve and Protect’

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WHO WOULD THE "ELDERS" AND "WARRIORS" BE IN AMERICA THESE DAYS, BROTHER?

The elders would be the established members of society that we see as the most wise, and who have a long track record of speaking and acting righteously and in the best interests of the common good. Some names that come to mind are Chomsky, Zinn... Historically people like Malcolm after he came back from Mecca, Krishnamurti, Einstein, James Baldwin, ... Assata and Angela Davis... I like Cornel West to a degree... I'd even take Neil DeGrasse Tyson over most of our current leaders. I'm sure there are hundreds more who could fit the role.

DO YOU WANT GERIATRIC G.O.P. VOTERS LEADING THE MILITARY INTO THE STREETS, DUDE?

No. I think 80%-90% of Congress should be relieved of all public duties.

THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN A BUZZWORD UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE, MEAN GENE! SOUNDS NICE AND HAS NO SUBSTANCE BEHIND IT, BROTHER!

Not at all.

Community policing is when the community itself holds criminals accountable. The community itself investigates, gathers information, holds town halls, and then delivers verdicts. Penalties can vary according to the culture but one of the worst punishments was to be cast out the society and not allowed to return. Granted these were smaller communities that operated like this nothing like a city the size of NYC. But still, I think some elements from the old school could still have value in today's society.
 

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The elders would be the established members of society that we see as the most wise, and who have a long track record of speaking and acting righteously and in the best interests of the common good. Some names that come to mind are Chomsky, Zinn... Historically people like Malcolm after he came back from Mecca, Krishnamurti, Einstein, James Baldwin, ... Assata and Angela Davis... I like Cornel West to a degree... I'd even take Neil DeGrasse Tyson over most of our current leaders.
:mjlol:I HOPE YOU DON'T THINK YOU AREN'T ALIENATING ABOUT 75% OF THE AMERICAN POPULATION BY ASSUMING THEY'D CHOOSE THESE INDIVIDUALS AS THEIR ELDERS OR LEADERS, BROTHER!
 

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The elders would be the established members of society that we see as the most wise, and who have a long track record of speaking and acting righteously and in the best interests of the common good. Some names that come to mind are Chomsky, Zinn... Historically people like Malcolm after he came back from Mecca, Krishnamurti, Einstein, James Baldwin, ... Assata and Angela Davis... I like Cornel West to a degree... I'd even take Neil DeGrasse Tyson over most of our current leaders. I'm sure there are hundreds more who could fit the role.

:mjlol: the fukk...this ain't Star Wars b..no Jedi are walking through that door
 

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CRB's definitely have shortcomings, but they are a step at least. They should all have subpoena power and even firing power :ehh:. They can't be toothless entities.

I agree... There just has to be some alternative though to cops being dictators until it is too late and they've already committed their rapes and murders :francis:

We may need to start another thread on this
 

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To play devils advocate what would stop CRB from becoming similar to the system we have now.



*Not trying to down the idea, just want to spark debate. :whoa:
Well that's exactly what happened when the NY CCRB was created

Civilian Complaint Review Board - About CCRB - History

Origins
The first steps towards creating what is now the Civilian Complaint Review Board were taken in 1950, when a coalition of 18 organizations formed the “Permanent Coordination Committee on Police and Minority Groups” to lobby the city to deal with police misconduct in general, and “police misconduct in their relations with Puerto Ricans and Negros specifically.”* In response to their demands, the New York City Police Department established the Civilian Complaint Review Board in 1953 as a committee of three deputy police commissioners to investigate civilian complaints. While the board was granted wider authority under Mayor Robert Wagner in 1955, it remained an organization within the police department—police officers conducted the investigations and the decision on whether or not to recommend discipline was made by the deputy commissioners.

The Lindsay Plan
After his election in 1965, Mayor John Lindsay appointed former federal judge Lawrence E. Walsh to investigate the operation of the police department and make suggestions for improvement. While the bulk of Walsh’s report focused on modernization, the report also argued that, in order to instill public confidence that investigations of civilian complaints were handled fairly; the Board itself should have civilian representation.

Opposition to Lindsay
Lindsay formed a search committee, chaired by former Attorney General Herbert Brownell, to find civilians to serve on the board. John Cassese, the president of the Patrolman’s Benevolent Association (PBA), rigorously opposed a civilian presence on the board, stating, “I’m sick and tired of giving in to minority groups with their whims and their gripes and shouting.” The mayor’s search committee found four candidates, whom the mayor appointed, and for the first time in the city’s history, people outside the department oversaw the investigations of complaints against police officers.

A Crucial Vote
Lindsay’s board did not last long. Cassese and the PBA collected signatures to force a ballot measure to bar civilians from having any oversight of police complaints. The ensuing campaign was bitter on all sides; the PBA made appeals to safety and fear, stating that with civilian oversight, the police would not be able to do their job properly, and the forces in favor of civilian participation painted their opponents as bigots and racists. The ballot measure won overwhelmingly, and the board returned to its previous all-police makeup.

Civilian Board Members
In 1987, in accordance with legislation passed in 1986 by the city council, the board was restructured as one where private citizens served alongside non-uniformed police officers; the mayor (with the advice and consent of city council) appointed six members and the police commissioner appointed six. At this time, the Civilian Complaint Investigations Bureau began to hire civilians to investigate complaints, though these civilians served alongside police department investigators and were supervised by department employees.

Tompkins Square Park Incident
In 1988, an event helped sway public opinion in favor of more civilian control over the investigation of complaints made against NYPD officers. In response to complaints of drug trafficking and disorderly groups in Tompkins Square Park, the department chose to enforce an existing 1:00 a.m. curfew that had previously not been enforced. A rally protesting the curfew on July 31 turned into a confrontation with police in which four people were arrested and four officers were injured. On August 6, demonstrators were forced from the park in a series of violent incidents between the police, demonstrators, and bystanders. Video footage showed police officers striking people with nightsticks, kicking people who were on the ground, and covering their shields to hide their identity.

The CCRB commissioned a special report on the incident, concluding that “there is no evidence that any effort was made to limit the use of force . . . Force was used for its own sake.” Even though the report was extremely critical of the NYPD, the event itself galvanized support for an all-civilian review board.**

All Civilian Agency
In 1993, after extensive debate and public comment, Mayor David Dinkins and the New York City Council created the Civilian Complaint Review Board in its current, all-civilian form. The agency was granted subpoena power (one issue cited in the Tompkins Square Park report by the police department’s CCRB was that without subpoena power, it could not obtain filmed footage from local media outlets) and authority to recommend discipline in cases that the board substantiated. However, the agency was underfunded at its inception, leaving it unable to cope with the large number of complaints it received.

After the Abner Louima incident in 1997, the CCRB’s budget was steadily increased, allowing the agency to hire dozens more investigators and experienced managers who oversee investigations. This has led to dramatic improvement in the agency performance.

Now the largest civilian oversight agency in the country, the CCRB has investigated tens of thousands of complaints, leading to discipline for thousands of police officers.

Power to Prosecute
On April 2, 2012, the CCRB and the NYPD signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) under which prosecutorial authority for substantiated misconduct cases against police officers was transferred from the NYPD to the CCRB. Under the terms of the MOU, CCRB attorneys rather than police department lawyers prosecute officers at administrative trials, when the board has recommended charges for substantiated misconduct.

Read the MOU (in PDF)

As part of its oversight function, the CCRB monitors complaint activity for broader policing issues and makes recommendations to the police commissioner when it finds credible information that raises concerns about departmental policies, procedures or training.
 

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:mjlol:I HOPE YOU DON'T THINK YOU AREN'T ALIENATING ABOUT 75% OF THE AMERICAN POPULATION BY ASSUMING THEY'D CHOOSE THESE INDIVIDUALS AS THEIR ELDERS OR LEADERS, BROTHER!

:what:

Right... because our current "chosen" leaders in Congress are doing such a great job....

:what:
 
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