the race for the MVP:lebron v.s. durant

[MIAlien]

If there are two comparable players for the MVP award, the sole basis cannot boil down to the teammates that they play with.

I can easily say Durant should be MVP because his stats are comparable to LeBrons despite not having to do everything for his team

That's an argument about who's the better player. This is all about how you define value. Lebron is more valuable because his team's success hinges on his ability to do more for The Heat. Durant took on added responsibility after the Harden trade, but he still does nowhere near as much as Lebron. That's not about the teammates. It's about what the players have to do in order for their teams to be successful.

As for that part about the stats…

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[OTC]

Lebron is more valuable because his team's success hinges on his ability to do more for The Heat. Durant took on added responsibility after the Harden trade, but he still does nowhere near as much as Lebron. That's not about the teammates.

I think you should use that clip for yourself.

You say LeBron is more valuable because his teams success hinges on blah blah blah and then you say "That's not about his teammates"......are you serious?

So you're penalizing Durant for playing with more impactful players, you have NO basis for how impactful each candidate is to their team?
you dont know how Durants #'s would look if a frontcourt player went down () and he had to play the 4 primarily

 

[muzikfrk75]

Just read your post back to yourself. You just proved why Lebron is more valuable.

Yep

KD will win a couple of MVPs eventually, but Lebron is in his prime right now.

 

[MIAlien]

I think you should use that clip for yourself.

You say LeBron is more valuable because his teams success hinges on blah blah blah and then you say "That's not about his teammates"......are you serious?

So you're penalizing Durant for playing with more impactful players, you have NO basis for how impactful each player is to there team?
you dont know how Durants #'s would look if a frontcourt player went down () and he had to play the 4 primarily

That's about Lebron. Some other guy could have the same teammates and not do what Lebron does. That means its about much more than who they play with. Wade and Bosh had much better seasons last year and Lebron still won the MVP and lead the team in several statistical categories along the way. Now he's playing even better and they're the #1 seed.

It's about whether their teams are the best or among the best in the league and how much of that success is attributable to their play. And Lebron does more, means more to his team, and has his team in the #1 spot in his conference.

Durant isn't penalized for having better teammates this season. Historically MVP voters don't penalize players for having good teammates. Lebron's candidacy is just enhanced by the fact that he does it all for his team.

 

[OTC]

Wade and Bosh had much better seasons last year and Lebron still won the MVP and lead the team in several statistical categories along the way. Now he's playing even better and they're the #1 seed.

Thats nice and all but Durant is playing better than last year also, and their stats are comparable...so your point is.......?​

It's about whether their teams are the best or among the best in the league and how much of that success is attributable to their play. And Lebron does more, means more to his team, and has his team in the #1 spot in his conference.

You keep bringing up this number 1 seed in the conference, well do you want to compare which conference is more competitive ?

OKC has a better record than the Heat, The Heat would be sitting at 4th in the West, while OKC would be 1st in the East
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[HacksawJimThuggin]

Lebron has better stats.


Lebron is also more valuable to his team. People tend to overlook that defense is 1/2 of basketball, yet it gets ignored a lot of times. Bron's versatility on that end of the floor covers up so many damn deficiencies we got, it's not even funny.

So even if the stats are close. One guy is the most versatile defender in the league and a lock for 1st team all defense. The other is merely an above average defender. That should count for something, no?

 

[OTC]

Lebron has better stats.


Lebron is also more valuable to his team. People tend to overlook that defense is 1/2 of basketball, yet it gets ignored a lot of times. Bron's versatility on that end of the floor covers up so many damn deficiencies we got, it's not even funny.

So even if the stats are close. One guy is the most versatile defender in the league and a lock for 1st team all defense. The other is merely an above average defender. That should count for something, no?

Durants avg more blocks PG this season and they are tied for steals , also tied with defensive rebounds.

On top of that as I stated in the thread before when has Durant been abused on defense this season?​

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

Durants avg more blocks PG this season and they are tied for steals , also tied with defensive rebounds.

On top of that as I stated in the thread before when has Durant been abused on defense this season?​

yea, because steals, blocks, and defensive rebounds are what determines your level of defense. Who said he's been abused? I said he was an above average defender. But Lebron is the most versatile defender in the league and has shut down the other team's best player in crunch time when it's mattered most (see the final 5 minutes of the Lakers vs. Heat game a few weeks back).

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

Wade's getting 21,5,4 on 50 percent shooting. He leads Sg's in PER. Where does this come from?

I'M PRETTY MUCH OFF OF THE MATRIX, SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW WADE IS DOING NOWADAYS.

 

[OTC]

yea, because steals, blocks, and defensive rebounds are what determines your level of defense. Who said he's been abused? I said he was an above average defender. But Lebron is the most versatile defender in the league and has shut down the other team's best player in crunch time when it's mattered most (see the final 5 minutes of the Lakers vs. Heat game a few weeks back).

Oh okay so those stat's mean nothing then huh
So now to win the MVP you have to guard the best player on the other team in the final 5 minutes of a game.

Go and get them Advanced Stats then breh ​

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

Oh okay so those stat's mean nothing then huh
So now to win the MVP you have to guard the best player on the other team in the final 5 minutes of a game.

Go and get them Advanced Stats then breh ​

Are you trying to make the argument that Durant is a better defender than Bron? If so, then you're delusional. If not, then what are you actually trying to say? Because I'm not understanding.

 

[OTC]

Are you trying to make the argument that Durant is a better defender than Bron? If so, then you're delusional. If not, then what are you actually trying to say? Because I'm not understanding.

I'm saying the fact that you're trying to basically give the MVP to Bron because of you're personal parameters of defense is retarded, Durant plays solid defense so you're argument is of weak.​

 

[THE MACHINE]

So its not an actual criteria for the award? Just a . I know.

How is it a when in your last post you agree with me, but to a lesser degree.

And in case you didn't know, GAMES PLAYED is a measurable stat, so how in the hell could it not be a criteria for MVP. Just face it, CP3 isn't a major factor in this race.

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

I'm saying the fact that you're trying to basically give the MVP to Bron because of you're personal parameters of defense is retarded, Durant plays solid defense so you're argument is of weak.​

There's a big difference between being "solid" and being the most versatile defender in the league and a lock for 1st team all defense. Basketball is a two way sport. If guys are about the same offensively and one is clearly superior and more valuable on defense, why wouldn't he be the MVP? Unless you're trying to say that Lebron is in fact not clearly superior and more valuable on defense. In which case, you're wrong.

You're bringing up numbers that have little relevance in a discussion about defense. It's like saying some average ass cornerback is better than Revis because he has more interceptions and tackles.

 

[Loose]

yea, because steals, blocks, and defensive rebounds are what determines your level of defense. Who said he's been abused? I said he was an above average defender. But Lebron is the most versatile defender in the league and has shut down the other team's best player in crunch time when it's mattered most (see the final 5 minutes of the Lakers vs. Heat game a few weeks back).

Steals blocks and Defensive rebounds are a huge part of defense ESPECIALLY defensive boards. Durants not versatile because he's 6'11 you cant expect ANY 6'11 player to be versatile outside of guarding SF/PF and occasional centers.