The raid was anything but a success

[David_TheMan]

you put out that it's not trump it's us article. The overall tone of your article was to hold Obama and in some ways Clinton as responsible for the rise of Trump based on their actions and interventions.

It's not whether the article was correct in whether it led to Trump, but you rightfully attributed the success of the military, our missions, policy, and attacks to POTUS because it's his administration and the buck stops there.

Here however, you appear to be making the point that Trump should not be held to this same standard of responsibility.

If the command is flawed, it's on him to fix it as Commander in Chief before signing off on actions with flawed Intel.

I posted an article and my take away from it was that it was more than just saying GOP and republicans are racists as to why he won. I said that explicitly.

As for that article I attacked militarism of the US over all, and I've been consistantly attacking militerism of trump as well with his bombing in yemen, and warmongering with Iran.

I never said Trump today shouldn't be held to the same standard, I'm talking specifically about the intelligence with regard to this mission. I literally in this same thread said the same thing about the Navy seal failure under Obama with the raid in somalia where they went into a stronghold.

So it seems you really are trying to reach to try to make a point, when there is no point for you to make.
As evidenced by the fact that you literally could not produce a single quote to how I felt or what I said about Benghazi.

 

[Pressure]

Ideally socom needs to be disbanded entirely along with a decrease in US military presence but that is another discussion entirely.

And looking back through your other posts it seems your true agenda is making whatever argument you can to justify the weakening of the US military abroad.

 

[Pressure]

As evidenced by the fact that you literally could not produce a single quote to how I felt or what I said about Benghazi.

I counted 19 posts where you referenced the "Illegal US invasion of Libya"

 

[David_TheMan]

And looking back through your other posts it seems your true agenda is making whatever argument you can to justify the weakening of the US military abroad.

My true agenda is arguing for the complete dismantling of the US military empire. If you think that is weakening the US that is on you. I don't think its weakening the US to stop military adventurism and empire building.

I counted 19 posts where you referenced the "Illegal US invasion of Libya"

Yes invasion of Libya is a seperate incident from the cia torture site/embassy in benghazi.
So you still can't back up your claim I see.

 

[Pressure]

My true agenda is arguing for the complete dismantling of the US military empire. If you think that is weakening the US that is on you. I don't think its weakening the US to stop military adventurism and empire building.


Yes invasion of Libya is a seperate incident from the cia torture site/embassy in benghazi.
So you still can't back up your claim I see.

You are against US Military intervention. You say you're against US Military adventurism and Empire Building. You've held Obama responsible for this. Specifically in Libya.

We know we were in Benghazi to facilitate arms deals to Syrians. That's US Military adventurism and Empire building. You've already called it an illegal invasion that you've blamed Obama for.

So it seems odd here that you are shifting blame away from Trump here when these actions are the exact same.

 

[David_TheMan]

You are against US Military intervention. You say you're against US Military adventurism and Empire Building. You've held Obama responsible for this. Specifically in Libya.

We know we were in Benghazi to facilitate arms deals to Syrians. That's US Military adventurism and Empire building. You've already called it an illegal invasion that you've blamed Obama for.

So it seems odd here that you are shifting blame away from Trump here when these actions are the exact same.

Yes, I've held responsible Bush 2nd, Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan, Obama, and now Trump.

Yes I've blamed Obama for invading Libya and all the needless problems that arose from it.

I haven't shifted Trump the blame for his overall policy or lack of policy. I hold him ultimately responsible for continuing to bomb other nations, ramping up war tone against Irank and etc. That said if this was Obama or Bush or Clinton I would say the raid and green lighting it and it failing isn't on them in failure of execution but on the sstructure or chain of command that pushed it up to him without vetting the intel.

 

[hashmander]

yemen tells trump get the fukk out you dummy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/world/middleeast/yemen-special-operations-missions.html

 

[Pressure]

yemen tells trump get the fukk out you dummy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/world/middleeast/yemen-special-operations-missions.html

Mr. Obama deferred the decision to Mr. Trump, who appeared inclined to grant it: His approval of the Jan. 29 raid came over a dinner four nights earlier with his top national security aides, rather than in the kind of rigorous review in the Situation Room that became fairly routine under President George W. Bush and Mr. Obama.

 

[hashmander]

he's the best thing to happen to dubya's legacy.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

he's the best thing to happen to dubya's legacy.

How u figure that?

 

[hashmander]

How u figure that?

cause every time they talk shyt about trump, a new generation reads shyt like this:

"rather than in the kind of rigorous review in the Situation Room that became fairly routine under President George W. Bush and Mr. Obama."

young one: i guess that dubya guy was smart like obama and not dumb like twitler.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

cause every time they talk shyt about trump, a new generation reads shyt like this:

"rather than in the kind of rigorous review in the Situation Room that became fairly routine under President George W. Bush and Mr. Obama."

young one: i guess that dubya guy was smart like obama and not dumb like twitler.

 

[Arithmetic]

Told yall

 

[Arithmetic]

shyt is incredible.

 

[smitty22]

Told yall

Bu bu bu but it saved many American lives from future attacks