The REAL reason why people are broke and don’t have any savings for an emergency

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The people I went to school with and talk with. The people all over reddit. Not hard to find common advice for engineers who want to switch disciplines: go back to school for a Master's is usually the top advice.

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At the very least if you want to switch disciplines you better be ready to show off a shytload of really good personal projects of the discipline you're trying to get into: which will require many college textbooks full of information to apply.

Nobody is going to look at your resume and say "Oh you're an EE so you're good at math then I guess, let me hire you for this Mechanical Engineering role off the strength of you finishing college." NOPE. Rare if that ever happens. Most employers are going to instead ask for personal projects like for example a CNC machine, gear box, steering systems, 3d-printer, etc. if you want to go into Mechanical Engineering. They ask for those from people fresh out of college, much less from someone who has no formal education in Mechanical Engineering. In either case, a lot of studying is needed to switch engineering disciplines - it ain't an easy switch and again you'd need to consider locations.


If you don't know how to sell yourself in an interview, it doesn't even matter what you majored in. A Mechanical Engineer major who knows how to explain broad skills in an interview will get a job over an Electrical Engineer major for an Electrical Engineer position. Period
 

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If you don't know how to sell yourself in an interview, it doesn't even matter what you majored in. A Mechanical Engineer major who knows how to explain broad skills in an interview will get a job over an Electrical Engineer major for an Electrical Engineer position. Period
So a mechanical engineer wants a job working on embedded systems, but has no embedded systems projects to showcase? That ain't flying in 2023 for 90% of the cases - that'll get a recruiter fired and if you've been checking lately, recruiters have been some of the top targets of these recent layoffs.

Very very rarely will you be able to talk a big game and get the job in engineering, especially when the job market looks the way it does now. You got to show them, not tell them.

If an ME walked in with embedded system projects and sells themselves, that's one thing. They've proven they can learn enough about electrical/electronics to the point they can create a functional real world system. That ain't talking a big game or selling yourself, that's showing and proving. However, that's a lot of material someone will have to learn outside of their discipline. They've earned it if they got to that point, but they won't have earned it by simply walking into a job with a degree from another field and saying they "can do this job" with no proof whatsoever. Unlike many software fields, most hard-engineering fields have a lot of litigation behind them, they need to make sure they hire right.

Which goes back to the original point: because career switching in engineering ain't the easiest, some people do want to live in cities like Los Angeles because it has a diverse array of engineering fields. There are simply no EE's in many major cities around the U.S. Some people's best and most flexible option unfortunately is a HCOL area. Same goes for Aersopace: Palmdale, Long Beach, Los Angeles, San Diego, Texas, Florida are the most viable options. A lot of LCOL/MCOL areas have absolutely zero jobs for aerospace. Many people will include when asking for advice about pursuing a career in __ to consider locations. There may be cheaper locations sure, but not all are viable to all careers.
 
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there is no incentive to save when your money loses value when you leave it in the bank , you either invest it in real estate , find stocks that are winners or you might as well spend it on whatever bs you like today :yeshrug:
 

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So a mechanical engineer wants a job working on embedded systems, but has no embedded systems projects to showcase? That ain't flying in 2023 for 90% of the cases - that'll get a recruiter fired and if you've been checking lately, recruiters have been some of the top targets of these recent layoffs.

Very very rarely will you be able to talk a big game and get the job in engineering, especially when the job market looks the way it does now. You got to show them, not tell them.

If an ME walked in with embedded system projects and sells themselves, that's one thing. They've proven they can learn enough about electrical/electronics to the point they can create a functional real world system. That ain't talking a big game or selling yourself, that's showing and proving. However, that's a lot of material someone will have to learn outside of their discipline. They've earned it if they got to that point, but they won't have earned it by simply walking into a job with a degree from another field and saying they "can do this job" with no proof whatsoever. Unlike many software fields, most hard-engineering fields have a lot of litigation behind them, they need to make sure they hire right.

Which goes back to the original point: because career switching in engineering ain't the easiest, some people do want to live in cities like Los Angeles because it has a diverse array of engineering fields. There are simply no EE's in many major cities around the U.S. Some people's best and most flexible option unfortunately is a HCOL area. Same goes for Aersopace: Palmdale, Long Beach, Los Angeles, San Diego, Texas, Florida are the most viable options. A lot of LCOL/MCOL areas have absolutely zero jobs for aerospace. Many people will include when asking for advice about pursuing a career in __ to consider locations. There may be cheaper locations sure, but not all are viable to all careers.


For one Embedded systems involves alot of Physics and Mechanical Engineering majors probably take the most Physics classes out of all the Engineering degrees. Secondly alot of Mechanical Engineering degrees and internships involve alot of Elctro-Mechanical or Mechatronics in their curriculum. And that's been around for the past 15 years. Also, anything Automation or Instrumentation have a large population of Mechanical Engineers working in those fields

You need to get out of the echo chamber that you are currently in, and you need to befriend and contact people who got an Engineering job from in a sector that wasn't their major, because there are ALOT of them. Start there
 

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Do both. I see a lot of self defeatist attitude. Being paid a lot / having a lot of resources is desired by a lot of people, so you’re going to have to plan, strategize and compete for that.

People think they SHOULD be paid a certain amount, that’s just an unrealistic reality. Remember when someone is actually paying you, they’re taking food out of their mouth, their wife’s mouth, and children’s mouth, to do it. They’re trying to provide the absolute best for their family, just as you are. Remember that, and you’re going to have to bully, you’re going to have to fight, you’re going to have to take resources, not ask for it nicely. I don’t know why people see a big corporation and think, just a faceless soulless entity. People are behind that. And you’re a stranger to them. Imagine you donating your extra expendable income to a faceless stranger so they can have a similar or better lifestyle. You wouldn’t, because you don’t now.
Please learn what overhead to a business is. Once you understand that, you'll see everything wrong with this post.
 

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For one Embedded systems involves alot of Physics and Mechanical Engineering majors probably take the most Physics classes out of all the Engineering degrees. Secondly alot of Mechanical Engineering degrees and internships involve alot of Elctro-Mechanical or Mechatronics in their curriculum. And that's been around for the past 15 years. Also, anything Automation or Instrumentation have a large population of Mechanical Engineers working in those fields

You need to get out of the echo chamber that you are currently in, and you need to befriend and contact people who got an Engineering job from in a sector that wasn't their major, because there are ALOT of them. Start there
Mechanical engineers take a lot of Newtonian Physics. All engineers take the same college physics and math courses their undergrad. When they get to upper divisions they start to diverge. For example, my current curriculum for EE: Basic Circuits, Circuit Theory, Electromagnetics, Electronic Circuits, Device Electronics, those are required EE courses every single EE major has to pretty much take in addition to the 3 Calculus-based Physics courses all engineers take. Then there are electives like DSP, Power Engineering, VLSI, Optical Communication, Photonics, Antenna Theory, Artificial Intelligence and Computer Engineering-specific courses, etc. That's a very typical EE curriculum and a depth no ME would take, because well, they're studying ME.
 
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Mechanical engineers take a lot of Newtonian Physics. All engineers take the same college physics and math courses their undergrad. When they get to upper divisions they start to diverge. For example, my current curriculum for EE: Basic Circuits, Circuit Theory, Electromagnetics, Electronic Circuits, Device Electronics, those are required EE courses every single EE major has to pretty much take in addition to the 3 Calculus-based Physics courses all engineers take. Then there are electives like DSP, Power Engineering, RF, Antenna Theory, Artificial Intelligence, etc. That's a very typical EE curriculum and a depth no ME would take, because well, they're studying ME.

The ones bolded I have seen plenty of in Mechanical Engineering curriculums. Like I said, get away from your echo chamber and start hanging out with people who have transitioned from different Engineering fields and see how they navigated to success
 

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The ones bolded I have seen plenty of in Mechanical Engineering curriculums. Like I said, get away from your echo chamber and start hanging out with people who have transitioned from different Engineering fields and see how they navigated to success
Here's the thing about that though: if a mechanical engineering taking courses in circuits, circuit theory, electronics, A.I, etc. then that means they aren't taking courses in Mechanical Engineering. They might as well go into Electrical Engineering at that point. Rather, they should be doing courses like Mechanical Design, Solid Mechanics, Fluid Mechanics, Fuel Cell Design, Gas Dynamics, Vehicle Dynamics, Matter Vibrations, and like a trillion other electives to choose from rather than hammer a bunch of EE courses.

A.I for a mechanical engineer for example :heh: that could have been a course on Composites, statics or thermodynamics and looked much better in an ME interview.
 

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Here's the thing about that though: if a mechanical engineering taking courses in circuits, circuit theory, electronics, A.I, etc. then that means they aren't taking courses in Mechanical Engineering. They might as well go into Electrical Engineering at that point. Rather, they should be doing courses like Mechanical Design, Solid Mechanics, Fluid Mechanics, Fuel Cell Design, Gas Dynamics, Vehicle Dynamics, Matter Vibrations, and like a trillion other electives to choose from rather than hammer a bunch of EE courses.

A.I for a mechanical engineer for example :heh:


You're overthinking this. Improve your interview skills, be personable, be confident, and talk about varied skills learned in school for Engineering in general
 

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You're overthinking this. Improve your interview skills, be personable, be confident, and talk about varied skills learned in school for Engineering in general
Again, back to talking a big game and not proving anything really. Alright breh.
 
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