The Second Apron is ruining the NBA

[yseJ]

A team like OKC who drafted smartly, made the right trades to win a title with a young core can’t be long term because of the second apron. Now a bad org who do none of those things can offer a lot of money to break that group up.

I have always had that issue with the NFL cap as well.

If you draft well, you should not be penalized. If you make smart moves like Boston, you shouldn't be penalized that harshly.

You should be penalized for building your team thru free agency and signing stars from elsewhere.

I can agree with that. There should be an exception for teams who drafted well, specifically for those players.

 

[Left.A1]

at preventing teams from going over the soft cap, obviously.

I mean allowing teams to not have a rigid spending line and freedoms to adjust depending on situation was the whole point of having a SOFT cap in the first place

The luxury tax is a lot of money, and it was meant to act as a major deterrent.

It had been, do you know how many teams a year paid the luxury tax?

Aside from that what is this second apron deterring exactly? To deter teams from drafting well? To deter teams from keeping their competent rosters intact? To deter franchises avoiding giving fans a more diluted and weaker product


Select teams were spending major money because the calculation clearly was that winning = profit

How dumb to get in the way of that

 

[mastermind]

I can agree with that. There should be an exception for teams who drafted well, specifically for those players.

These limitations always hurts the organizations that are good at what they do. Now because they are good, they eventually figure out how to reap off the new system, but it should not be like that. It also hurts players as well. Jokic had a good situation in Denver and won, but now has to face the choice of getting a super max in Denver but being a treadmill team as that organization can’t put the pieces around him or demand a trade.

These restrictions are mostly for mediocre to bad organizations to catch lightening in a bottle imo.

 

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What else is ruining the NBA?

 

[42 Monks]

A team like OKC who drafted smartly, made the right trades to win a title with a young core can’t be long term because of the second apron. Now a bad org who do none of those things can offer a lot of money to break that group up.

I have always had that issue with the NFL cap as well.

If you draft well, you should not be penalized. If you make smart moves like Boston, you shouldn't be penalized that harshly.

You should be penalized for building your team thru free agency and signing stars from elsewhere.

OKC one of the teams that paid attention. When they trade off guys, they're not going to be handing them off for nothing like the Kings or something. And they got young 1st round guys that haven't even seen minutes like that ready to step in too.

Presti isn't going to lose sleep selling high on Williams or Dort.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

I hate it from a fan standpoint but it does force these sack a shyt CAC GMs to do actual work with scouting and drafting players

 

[MicIsGod]

As much as i hate it, the aprons eventually will settle all of the teams to a certain level and some shyt like the Kd warriors or the 23 Celtics just won’t be possible. Only teams that draft extremely well will get those type of teams and even they can’t keep everyone. I feel like there were other options to fix the super team shyt and they went with the laziest one.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

People don’t know what they want now. And shyt is getting crazy since Bron and them are older.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

nobody fukked over the warriors lol

like maybe if wiseman turned into an all-nba player, kuminga was due for a max, klay never got hurt, and everyone stopped aging sure then the hypothetical would work

We got to get the boys a chip before this era ends!



Who am I kidding?

 

[mastermind]

Presti isn't going to lose sleep selling high on Williams or Dort.

He will over Williams. Players like him are hard to find. That’s the issue.

What I will say is I trust him and his team to figure it out because they have the draft capital, like you said.

My issue isn’t that a guy like Presti will figure it out. It’s the guys that luck up on a Jaylin Williams without doing the work to to earn that chance.

When Houston got Harden from OKC, I felt that was fugazi because they hadn’t done much to get there.

 

[Two Stacks]

Well, see the league created this second apron to enforce parity as a way to prevent teams from dominating for an extended period.

This is how the league keeps things fresh, meaning the days of single teams dominating the league for 3+ seasons are over. There's gonna be more variety in terms of winners and losers.

Remember the days of when teams like the early 00s Lakers, 90s Bulls, '15-'19 era Warriors, Celtics of recent, big 3 era Heat, Spurs of the 2010s, etc, had their runs, eating up the league? Well, that's coming to an end. Now you're gonna see a team be dominant for 2-3 years, maybe just a year like the 2023 Nuggets, for example, before they hit a slide due to the financial implications of the apron rules.

The 90s Bulls criminally underpaid Pippen even for the times back then. He couldn't force his way out he had to just play.

Deals are 4 years, 5 years max if they’re your own guy and you want amnesty clauses?

Some of the deals we’ll see will be trash the second they’re agreed to. I’m not bailing them out.

A trash deal player is gonna be someone that no other team wants due to the cost (Bradley Beal).

I mean...

KCP was trash in the playoffs 2 years ago for DEN and was trash with Orlando this year virtually all season, so why can't we just be honest and point out that maybe if Murray and MPJr played like 200m max players instead of always being inconsistent or injured, we wouldn't have hypothetical convos about overpaying washed role players? Why can't we just admit that Tatum and Brown be fukking up with their own inconsistent play (like what we saw in these past playoffs) and would not need Jrue or Porzingis (who barely even participated in last year's title run) if they just got their shyt together?

Clippers had their "superteam" core for 5 years. 5-years for Kawhi's knees to get it together or for Paul George to not play like a bytch every season. KD, Harden, Kyrie.... KD, Kyrie, Simmons.... KD, Booker, CP3, Ayton. How come we didn't have 3-years of BK vs LA (either one) superteam Finals? Did the CBA make Kyrie anti-vaxx, Harden fat, AD injury-prone, LeBron old, etc? Why didn't we have a Knicks / Clippers Finals this season? 2nd apron prevented nyggas from boxing out vs Denver? or choking game 1 vs Tyrese?

Maybe there is a talent shortage, or nyggas aint eating their vitamins bc we been had some cool fukking teams that kept on droppin the ball on their own merit regardless of cap restrictions.

I hear you. The problem is the owners let these agents hoe them into over paying players that don't deserve the money. they don't have a lot of players in the league that are worth 30 mill plus much less 50, but the rules allow it.

Pretty much, but even then if you hit on multiple draft picks, you can't keep everybody.

I'm intrigued what OKC gonna do with SGA, Jalen, and Chet cause that's possibly 3 super max contracts right there.

They do have a bunch of picks so they could probably let players go and get rookies for the cheap.

OKC has next year coming up basically. They needed to win this year and they need to win next year. Because now they gotta sign SGA, Chet, AND Jalen williams all in the same offseason.

That's gonna cost them $150 million or more per season for the 3 of them they can't do it. they have to go back to back titles, sign SGA, and choose between Chet and Jalen. Jalen is the better choice imo. He's the new Kawhi.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

it hasn't really fukked over the Celts... Tatum's injury did. Losing Jrue who is aging and KP who had been a non-factor for two postseasons means little if Tatum is healthy

 

[tremonthustler1]

It does if it overpays by the amount you lost, that’s just simple maths

You lost 40, have ans endorsement for 10, they up it to 40. What is the difference?

It’s not free money though. I still have to hawk your product.


For every person who needs to endorse something to “make up for it” there’s a player who gets that money AND the big NBA deal. You’re still down in the grand scheme.

 

[Ironman]

 

[FlyRy]