The Shrinking PH. D job influence (Article)

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Thanks for posting OP. The article states that only a minor percentage pay over $70,000 and that includes undergraduate.



However, about half of the PhDs earned by blacks are in education and they may (or may not) have a higher than normal debt load. I don't know how tight the job market is for them. I assume PhDs in education would be just as happy to work for schools as a university.



A large percentage of STEM PhDs are earned by foreigners.

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Unfortunately our debt load is higher (why are we always drawing the short straw)? See above chart from Department of Ed. URM means Under-represented minority and SBE is social, behavioral, and economic sciences (as opposed to STEM).
 

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Many people pay for phd's. Not all programs are funded and the programs that require you to pay are generally in different fields with less prestige or notoriety.
 

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What this gotta do with discouraging black people? Where is that mentioned or implyed?

stories like this imply that Ph.D.'s are a waste and not useful

What other implication or conclusion are we suppose to get from this story?

this board is (supposedly) mostly black, so who do you think you are communicating with when you post this

This is the type of story that will cause people like @rapbeats to come and write an essay about how college is a waste and others will join in, and it ends up spreading ignorance

Stories like this do not apply to black people because black people are the least educated group in the country, it will be a long time before we have too many Ph.D. 's
 

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Hope the higher education bubble bursts soon and let them suffer for it. College education should be 1/4 of what it is now.

This is what I'm talking about, all the anti college people are gonna come in here and say some gibberish

This is not a convo that people of the least educated demographic group should be having
 

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Many people pay for phd's. Not all programs are funded and the programs that require you to pay are generally in different fields with less prestige or notoriety.

Maybe you're correct. I just never seen it before.
 
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No offense, can you stop saying this?Hispanics rank lower in terms of education groups.

It depends on how you measure it, how about 'One of the least educated' is that better?

The point is there is a huge disconnect when black people start talking about a college bubble
 

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It depends on how you measure it, how about 'One of the least educated' is that better?

The point is there is a huge disconnect when black people start talking about a college bubble

I also get this vibe when I hear that people start talking about less people are needed to go to college and more into vocation. Don't get me wrong, I understand the need for many people, including Blacks, to get vocational training, especially if they don't have a college or associates degree. I work in an industry where machine operators and welders are pretty damn essential, and I can do some basing machine operations (lathe, drill/tap) myself. We need trained vocational people from plumbers to machinists, especially for guys coming out of prison who can't get a job.

It urks me though when vocational schooling is talked about as the "solution" for us only having 1/9th of Black males finish college (1/3 go, 1/3 complete). There is a difference between someone who has an aptitude for a vocation and where vocational school is valuable and channeling a whole group of people away from Higher Education. I don't see upper middle class Whites or Asians lectured on looking more into vocations rather than college.

The PhD bubble, if there is one, is crucial to one's job prospects and people need to go in it with their eyes open. Same with Law. What is best is to combine a PhD with some business education and training to leave yourself options.
 

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This is what I'm talking about, all the anti college people are gonna come in here and say some gibberish

This is not a convo that people of the least educated demographic group should be having
We're not least educated demographic. Hispanics are. However, they work and own businesses and they don't stress education like others.
 

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I wouldn't recommend a PhD in the Humanities. I know a woman who recently got her PhD from Princeton in a humanity and has yet to land a job. I have another friend with a PhD in a humanity from Northwestern (IL) and is working as an instructor (non-tenure track position). The latter one discouraged me from pursuing a PhD in History.
 
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